SOMETHING CALLED TIME - 09-30-2017

Hey, everybody. Welcome to Planet radio offplaneetradio.com. I'm Randy Morgans. I'm here with Emily Moyer and our special guest tonight and coming off of a trip out to Houston, where I attended the ParaCon conference. And that's a story in itself.

Let me just say that Houston is a city with intense energies, amplified even more so by the trauma they’ve just gone through at the hands of the weather lord. So, very interesting situation in Houston, but it is a city that kind of come back and rallied, and we had a pretty ripping conference as well. Emily, do you want to intro our guest for us, please? You said you were going to do it. That’s a mean.

Anyway, we have returning guests tonight. Even before he was a guest here, he’s always been one of our favorites, but we certainly enjoyed our live show with him. And we’re here to rip through a couple of issues that Randy wants to talk about, and then we’re going to dive into what we consider to be the big issue, which is time. But we have no idea what our guest is going to say because he contacted us and said he’d like to talk about it. So we are really looking forward to this.

Cliff. Hi. Welcome back to Off Planet Radio. Thank you very much. It was quite enjoyable the last time, and I suspect we might have a good time this time.

I think we will. So wow. Time. We’re going to talk about that, and that’s the conundrum in itself. Before we get into the main topic tonight, there’s a number of issues that are going on right now in the financial world, one of which this was my breakfast reading on Sunday morning.

If you can see that, that’s the Wall Street Journal weekend edition.

There you go. There you go. Perfect. There we go. There we go.

Okay, so you got it. So this has actually been screaming in the headlines now for several weeks, the Equifax data breach that compromised 143,000,000 Americans records, which includes dates of birth, Social Security numbers, and I would assume as well, probably lines of credit information and massive other amounts of data that they’ve accumulated as well. That headline was the heralding of the resignation of the chief technology officer and the head of security for Equifax. And this data breach has been profound in that it’s really rippled out into the markets in interesting ways and created a fair amount of speculation as to the future of an integrity of credit reporting, hence the use of credit report marketing itself. Another interesting thing that happened is that hundreds of thousands of people responded by freezing all of their present credit activity through these bureaus, as a result of which it means that lenders can no longer lend money or leverage off of the credit asset base of these perceived consumers of credit.

And the banks operate on markets, basically demand that they have a healthy flow of credit worthy borrowers. As a result of that, I guess you would say you’ve seen a reduction in the credit markets potential right now because of this breach. So a couple of questions, Cliff. I don’t know how closely you followed this or watched it, but what’s your initial take on what happened here and how profound is it in terms of market integrity? Seriously profound.

Probably doomed Equifax, and it’s two other competitors because the cooperative companies are also theoretically competitive, and it has revealed all kinds of shenanigans at the level your volume suddenly got very low when we were talking before the show. It was great, and now we can have yeah, it was. How are we doing now? Better. Okay.

Equifax is in a funny situation. It has these two other competitors that also cooperate. When you share data with risk analysis. That’s really what job they’re in. They’re providing an aggregated risk analysis, various different levels on individual to organizations.

And when they do it, it’s much more than just your name, Social Security number, and some kind of a ranking is to your credit level. It’s your birthday. That all of your medical records, potentially any other court issues that brings in all of this stuff because of their source material. What they actually do is take all this source material, run it through an algorithm, and present that the results of their particular algorithm to the banks. Banks never see the wrong material.

Used to be when you went in and get a loan, the bank would actually have some of this information on the bank. But nowadays they rely on these three credit companies to do a form. There’s a reason for doing this because they can sue those credit companies for not doing the due diligence. Now, this is an interesting situation because Equifax has had months, five months before they released the information that they did. Cliff, I’m sorry to interrupt you again one more time.

The volume seems to have dropped a little bit again, and I just want to make sure everybody’s hearing you because sure, I’ll get real close to this thing then. So five months before they release the information, equifax actually was hacked. And the way that the hack occurred was I’m going to have to presume here, okay? I’m going to make some presumptions on some things I’ve read about, and I’m presuming from a technical bias, and I’m presuming that what happened was that they were initially cracked and then there was a bleed out as opposed to someone coming and taking the database. So I’m assuming that the way in which the crack went down was over the course of a many months, and it was not a crack in and get a big dump off of a database because that kind of activity is easily seen.

This is one of the reasons I’m presuming this, right? If, for instance, I was running a network that had secure assets behind it, which I have done. You do things like set up packet monitors and other stuff on your own network to see if all of a sudden there’s traffic you can’t account for. And that’s one of the ways you look for someone having cracked into your system is basically to see, wait a second, why is there all this traffic through the servers? The processors are running and copying like mad.

All the disks are humming when it’s 830 at night and people have mostly gone home. And so you have these little algorithmic triggers that let you know things like that. They dial the security officer by a remote. It used to be a pager in my day when I set those things up so that these people would be paged in the middle of the night if any one of these ten or twelve conditions went off. Right.

And so I presume that that was the kind of system that they had guarding everybody’s data. I could be quite wrong on that, especially since no, actually your summary that was spot on. The Wall Street Journal report said they began seeing suspicious network traffic on July 29 associated with US online dispute portal web application says the security team investigated, blocked questionable traffic and notice then saw more suspicious activity the following day. It’s then when the company took the web application offline the web application was looking here to see if I could find this because it kind of does. It was an application known as Apache Struts, which I suspect is a server level Apache server for those out there.

Exactly. It’s an old style overlay to Apache. Exactly. But it’s built on Apache which is it’s got so many old style security holes in it anymore people are going to be using stacks built on node or Jquery or something. And so it wasn’t that they didn’t come in through the scripts.

This is why I’m presupposing that they put a back door in and blend it out over time just to avoid the kind of trigger that eventually did get the attention of the security people. But of course now bear in mind we have to reference the fact that the head of security there was a music major.

That always works out so well. It sure does. Sure does. You know, those clear nets are just so useful for diagnosing network traffic. Anyway, so Equifax is really they’ve seriously screwed the pooch on this one and all of these people are going to be ending up with huge amounts of problems, myself among them because I’m one of the people in the United States that’s used that service because I saw it alone a few years back through a bank.

So I’ll have a decayed record in there now. Then there’s the other side of it. If we see it from the side of the poor hackers, they’ve got all these millions of records. What are they going to do with them? You need a serious data mining to be able to pull out an individual record out of all of this.

It’s not hashed, it’s not encrypted in most circumstances, it’s just straight SQL data. But without the appropriate software on top of it, it’ll take them some time to get the nuggets out that are worth selling. On the other hand, I don’t want to be an alarmist, but Equifax could be merely a gateway because Equifax runs connections into so many other systems through APIs. Someone may have discovered an API somewhere else that was vulnerable by going through Equifax. The API, by the way, sports fans, is application Programming Interface.

It’s basically the means through which the programs are written and whether or not they can talk to each other, right? And basically I write a program and I say, okay, I’m going to let some other program use these part of the services I’m already providing to my own code. And here’s the holes for that to occur in my code. The API is open frequently to certain kinds of activities. And so, for instance, it’s really interesting because we have electronic online banking now through the web to our individual banks.

And those banks all have shared the Swift system, the Ach system, all these other systems through these APIs. Now, having worked on the other side of it, on the organization side of it, where those APIs are created and tested, I know that banks are seriously paranoid, but they only extend that paranoia out one ring around them. So Equifax being two or three rings out and dealing with banks at a different level is not under the same kind of stringent requirements for security that say credit card companies may be right where they’re actually reaching in through the Ach to hit your debit and debit your account. Equifax was more open that way. But the mere openness of it, I think, is the big vulnerability at this stage because we don’t know, and Equifax is never going to tell us where else these crackers went once they penetrated and controlled the Equifax system.

Nor do we yet know that it’s been scrubbed clean. All we know is that they have discovered that they were hacked. That’s just the beginning of the process. So it’s not good. Now, to that point, I actually have run into a couple of companies that are going to start doing risk analysis through the blockchain, providing results through blockchain controlled access to risk analysis results.

And they’ve got a kind of an interesting system because they will store hashed encrypted pointers into an encrypted database on the blockchain and, you’ll know, as the sort of victim your credit rating being within there in this little hashed algorithm pointer. But you’ll also be the owner of it, and they’ll be in a position to tell you each and every time anybody, even a cracker through some other system, accesses your credit report, positive or negative, and you’ll have the ability through the blockchain to edit some aspects of that within the hashed code. So this was a good idea. This is in response to the equifax and the corruption that was exposed to in the process of the crack. There you’ve got a company that doesn’t report it for five months.

It takes them that long to be sure they were correct. I mean, what’s going on? The Wall Street Journal puts it as, since it was made public, we know that many of these breaches are not reported for months after. Sounds like the DMC. Well, my company’s payroll provider was hacked.

We were six weeks out before we were even told about this. Yeah, all that time passed before the targets of this, which is ultimately the individual people who have records in these systems are affected, so they’re not moving swiftly. It seems to me like there’s a lot of ass covering and a lot of hoping that they can clean all this up before they have. At what level they’re required to disclose it, I don’t know. But I know there is a level where the law kicks in and they must disclose publicly, and then they must begin remediation process.

So it’s a mess. And there’s a part of me that responds in a number of different ways. One is the social engineering side of this, which is, is this a run to finally fully compromise an already wounded beast in the banking system?

It could be. Okay. It was very sophisticated relative to Equifax. That’s clear. All right.

It caught them unawares that you would also have to postulate that it’s not a single individual. And again, this is a postulate. Right. Cracking could be done at an individual level. You could get into equifax or virtually anywhere, but an individual is going to have very little use for 143,000,000 records.

It just does not work that way. The individual crackers that are operating and making a living at it these days are working on three and five and 10,000, maybe 100,000 records at a time where there’s something manageable within there for them to sell. So, for instance, the guy cracks in, let’s say that, okay, there’s two parts of Equifax. There’s the data they hold on everybody, but then there’s also the data they hold on their customers who give them credit cards to get a look at the credit reports and that kind of thing. That’s a much smaller record.

But let’s just assume that the cracker was actually after the credit card numbers in the Equifax database. Even then, what they usually do is they manufacture credit cards. It’s really easy. You get a machine, you punch these things out, and they make them off for these numbers. But you do that in three and five and ten and 100,000 units, or you sell the data.

So when you’re dealing in millions of records, this was either a crack for hire right, where someone wanted it done and paid to have it done for a specific reason, which may not be apparent to us, because maybe the crack and the record theft was merely to cover what was really going on.

It’s it could be a situation where somebody had a lot of money and they said, well, I want to have my credit rating fixed. And so the guy cracks into equifax fixes the credit rating, and in order to make sure that it doesn’t ever show up, he just steals a bunch of records to create the illusion of a meaningful hack. We just have no idea what’s going on. But we do know that they took a number of months before telling anybody. And if in fact, the data was compromised, you only need weeks for the majority of those people to also be compromised.

And months, you might as well not even tell anybody at that level. Their data has been exposed, their credit card information exposed for months. So it’s a very curious situation there. And there’s obviously something more under the covers than we’re seeing. Not just simply a corporate screw up.

No. And it’s not a small group here. They’ve pulled back from pointing the gun at Russian or Eastern European hackers or China, but they’re certainly not owning up on the fact that this has the smell of a larger syndicate to me, in terms of being able to manage this level of data and this big of a target. So I was shocked at the size of the records as well. That’s what I thought, too, was that this was organ 143,000,000.

Yeah. That’s nearly a third of the population. Well, I wasn’t thinking of it that way. I was thinking of it in the number of terabytes it would take to copy the database down and how fast that you need a hell of a connection for that. Right.

And that would be noticed. So you’ve got to have a hell of a lot of time to do it slowly. Otherwise, what about the idea of this being something orchestrated to bring in further levels of regulation or switch the hands of who controls these kinds of things or who has access to what? I mean, I could just see again, I don’t know that much about any of this kind of stuff, but isn’t this the perfect kind of thing that allows the government to issue a new level of regulatory control? Or let’s say even that they want to switch this from the hands of the credit agencies that are dealing with it now to a government kind of control of them?

Or even a new player in the government? Okay. We saw that in the 1890s where the railroads were coming in and the certain material handlers and movers basically bribed government to shift more and more business to railroads and away from overseas around the continent, shift shipping. So, yeah, it’s certainly doable that way. Interesting.

Another aspect of it, though, is that the competition okay? It could be easily seen as an attack on equifax in order to shift economic movement, which it already has, to either to some other company or maybe even to another platform. Except for the fact that I know these guys are not anywhere near organized enough. It would be a perfect tactic for somebody involved in blockchain that would then come along and proffer a solution where the trust aspect was removed and you didn’t have to mess with equifax and so on. And it’d be expensive to pay for something like this in the way of a crack.

So there is that whoever did it either had a personal skin in the operation or was paid a whole lot of money to organize this thing. But they do this. This is the weird part of this, okay? Competitors are using Facebook against each other in the personal care products business. So let’s just choose something at home ear piercing.

I don’t know that even such a thing exists. Okay, but let’s say we have two companies in the at home ear piercing business that’s selling devices, and you’ve got company A and they’re advertising on Facebook. Company B goes on out and wants to drive up all of the costs it can for company A and put them out of business so that it can be the dominant player in this little niche. What it does is it sets up a dummy advertising account and gives it a little bit of dollars to feed it for Facebook and then goes and bids up the same kind of words that company A is buying for its advertising. Thus, company A is now spending two and three and five and ten times what it should.

They basically match the algorithm and try and drive up the cost of company A. This makes fantastic money for Facebook. Facebook loves this kind of action, and they’re not ever going to restrict it at all. But that level of corporate skullduggery is a huge business layer within the US. I mean, I know of companies that pay people to be professional trolls, other companies that write algorithms to jack up advertising rates on Google against your competitors by sniffing out the keywords they’re using and all of this kind of thing.

So it wouldn’t surprise me a bit that equifax was that it was a crack for hire for whatever reason. One of the reasons potentially could be a business proposition. And we’ll know as it goes along, it’s rather interesting that they’re losing top executives and we’ll see if the company crumbles. And just exactly. Kuwae Bennett, who’s going to benefit from this, right?

Yeah. Wow. I think the conspiratorial side of me believes that there’s something much bigger and afoot. I just can’t make sense of it right now, except that it looks to me like it’s going to shift this game rather quickly. I think.

Oh, Lord help us. Once Congress gets involved, who knows what they’re going to do, right.

If you want to exacerbate a problem, you have a congressional hearing. And of course that will solve everything. That will bring no truth. And as usual, we may have to wait for the WikiLeaks. Don’t.

There you go. It’s changed markets. Okay, already. So it’s impacted the real estate market in the US. In a very significant way and it’s going to continue to do so.

A lot of banks are just talking to a guy today about that, about banks not lending and the issues that they were running into. And it’s all related to risk analysis.

Banks haven’t really been lending in any real sense to their top tier prime borrowers, which are largely corporate level and very high income people, but lending into the mainstream, the middle class, which at least one time was the bulwark of this whole thing that’s been dead for years. It’s part of the bond cycle, though. Yeah, there’s nowhere to go with it. Correct. And it won’t recover until there is a fundamental huge crash.

And it will probably never recover because now we have an alternative, which is cryptocurrencies in lieu of banks. So there’s a new thing called salt lending. And so it’s a company a friend of mine is involved with. It some peripheral level, but what they do is they take your cryptocurrencies as collateral and loan you fiat. And they’ve got a nice little algorithm.

If the cryptocurrencies drop in value below the amount of outstanding fiat, they sell off just enough to pay for the thing. They don’t harvest your account and the whole deal. So there’s all these alternatives to bank lending showing up because banks aren’t lending, because the bond cycle has wiped out the middle class, which was their primary customer base. Then they had the liar loans and if you’re breathing kind of loans, that led to the subprime crises. And then they transferred the subprime crises over to sub prime automobiles.

That has crashed out and now we’re seeing all of the car dealerships start to go the way at the moment. Yes.

If you can just entertain me for one more turn here on the questioning, because I’ve heard you talk about salt before. Is this a platform that’s going to enable people to deal more with each other without so much of this middle layer of banks and consumer reporting agencies and things like that? Are we heading towards a time when we’re going to build trust in a different way? Well, we’re removing trust from the system. You don’t have to trust anymore.

Right. And that’s why it actually works, because in that essence well, in this essence, right, in the period that we’re in now, you have to trust the banks, the middlemen and so on. And as we see, they’re not doing a good job and they’re letting everybody down and so we can’t trust them anymore. And so we’ve developed a trustless system that I think over time will actually restore trust on a global scale. And the trust lesser aspect of this is that on the blockchain, if I put my cryptocurrencies into a collateral for a loan and get issued Fiat by a smart robot that directs them through an Ach connection right into my bank account, there’s no trust involved.

Once the cryptos are locked up in the account, they don’t have to trust me because they’ve got control of them, right? And as I pay back the loan, I don’t have to trust them to apply it without sucking out everything in fees and stuff, because I’m dealing with a smart robot piece of software. And so I’ve eliminated any trust aspect. It’s performance at that level. So if you perform, trust is not required and then trust is no longer an issue at all.

Makes sense. Yeah. And so it’s a performance based system, not a meritocracy per se, where you get merit for some perceived benefits that you’re providing to the society here. It’s a performance based system where you get benefits for performing. And so it’s for those people that, I guess, really want to work the whole crypto thing, right.

Because it’s performance at all levels, if you look at it, everything from performance as a cryptocurrency to all of the Ramifications all the way around. There’s another outfit called Populace. Populace is jumping into a market that banks have dominated for centuries, which is factoring or lending on a month to month basis, just enough money for your business to make it to the next month, meet expenses, make the payroll, and so on. Factoring is usually done as a percentage of invoices that you’ve got outstanding of people actually paying you money, so they’re just taking a portion of your cash flow and a chunk of profits. But that accounts for 28% of global banking profits, not business profits profits.

And so they’re really harvesting people in the factoring business and they’re harvesting people based on all different kinds of credit or criteria that are not really valid. So you’ve got hardworking people in Indonesia and in India that even if they were relocated to London. And so it’s not geography, it’s the people. Even if these individuals of high net worth and everything were relocated to London, they’re going to pay a higher amount every month for factoring, simply because their skin is melaninrich and they’re in a less melaninrich environment. Right?

And it has to do with the inbuilt prejudice of the British system, but at the same time, it points out the nature of this at a global level, and these inbuilt prejudices are costing us all huge efficiencies. And so these businesses would be much more productive if they didn’t have to pay an extra 12% annually for their factoring business just because of who they are. And so Populous removes that because it is peer to peer financing at a factoring level. And so, getting back to the issue of the loans, salt lending is peer to peer, but it’s got a company that organizes it and runs the smart contracts and stuff. There are many other peer to peer lending systems that are also arising now, some of which require that you buy their proprietary token in order to participate.

Others, it’s just you have to put fiat into an account that then you dump in and it’s into the platform and so on. All different kinds of schemes working at the peer to peer level. And we noticed something instantly, all of a sudden interest rates for individuals even on short term credit, drop hugely. Interest rates in the rake off industries in England could be 5000% per year on short term loans. These are loan shark kind of guys.

And why would you want to deal with them if you can just hop on line and say, you know, I’ve got a 60 day need or, or 90 day need for this amount of money. Establish a relationship with a smart robot and begin from there knowing that if you don’t perform, that’s it, there’s no longer, you know, there’s no appeal to this. You just, you’re, you’re, you’re building your own credit, so to speak, in a negative way by non performance on these individual smart contracts. And performance on the smart contracts will be stored in a risk evaluating contract or robot somewhere else. But at that level within the way in which they’re going to store these things, it’s not like equifax.

It’s not like they can come on in and take out 143,000,000 records in a meaningful fashion. They may get 143,000,000 hash codes that would lead them to nothing. So yeah, cryptocurrencies offer us an interesting way out of a number of the problems that we face as a species and people just don’t get it. We’re actually on the cusp of an extinction level event for humans at any number of different levels, any number of different sources. Okay?

So everything from energy, from the amount of energy we get out of oil to energy coming around the sun. For instance, for years we’ve had this thing about sun disease showing up in my data sets, right? And I’m here to tell you that all up and down the West Coast, it’s officially reported in Washington State anyway, but all up and down the west coast people are running into mental hospitals that we have the largest number of self admissions ever seen in the state of Washington into all kinds of psychiatric and mental facilities. Now and I’m saying it’s at least partially related to the unknown energies that no one talks about that are coming around the sun and impacting our planet and affecting our species. And so we’ve got all of this stuff going on and very little of it is actually good.

But cryptos are good because they offer us a way out of the system that’s also contributing to the fact that we’re sort of stuck. I mean, we’ve really been stuck. In this system for like 30 years. Well, it’s interesting you brought up the sun, so maybe we can definitely segue from this and wheel into our chosen topic tonight, which is time. But I’d like to get your take since you brought up the sun on this eclipse that we had and any possible effects.

You see there’s a lot of woo woo around it and frankly, I saw a lot of woo woo in it in terms of my own take on it. So what is Cliff High’s take on the eclipse in the aftermath of that? Well, we’re still in the aftermath, still living through it. I mean, we’re in this first wave of it. It’s being reinforced again next couple of days and then again in the first part of October.

Maybe it’ll wane a little bit thereafter, but it’s what it accounted for the Mexico earthquake. It’s what accounted for the hurricanes we’ve got. I don’t think the hurricanes are being steered or magnified in this case. Right? We’ve got a situation where people think and they still are reporting, oh, it moved over some warm water and it’s getting stronger and it’s like, no guys, hurricanes don’t exist because of warm water.

They exist because of electricity coming in in vast quantities into our ionosphere that has to ground out. And if it forms at these particular nexus points, if you were to imagine, for instance, that the Earth was a sphere, right inside that sphere is a Mercury. You’re familiar with that? The tetrahedron inside a tetrahedron? Yeah.

Okay. Well, those would touch that spear bit specific points. I have one of those things lying around here, Globe, and I’ve got the Merca points actually marked on it. This I did years ago. And sure enough, one of them is where hurricanes form right off of the coast of Africa.

All hurricanes forming at this central point. And it has very little to do with that being the spot that they’re easiest to steer them from or create or anything like that. It has to do with the fact that the oblate bulge of this spherical Earth that Mercury point touches from the inside, such that it’s the furthest one out, so to speak, from the center. Okay? If you were to think of the Earth as a sphere, it’s not actually a sphere, it’s an old blatant spheroid.

It’s flat on the top and the bottom and sort of bulgy and lumpy around the middle like most of us. And then it’s got a little point there where the mercury comes out and touches the inside of the skin, so to speak. And it just so happens that Africa is so huge in such a giant land mass and the way it’s been shaped, that the point at which that Mercury comes in and touches is just off the coast of Africa. And that’s where these hurricanes form. And it’s because that is the shortest distance between the inner Mercaba and the ionosphere.

And so that’s where all of the electricity up here decides it can get down to Earth at the shortest distance. This also is an aspect of Schumann resonances and there’s many of them. So if anybody tells you the Schumann resonance is changing you should ask them. Well, which one? Because actually it’s not ever changing.

What’s going on is we’re more aware of one over the other. But anyway so these hurricanes are forming there because all that electricity spirals in. It’s got to ground out. Well then the easiest place for it to ground out is the Caribbean, Florida and North America. Because of the crystalline structure of the North American plate all it’s trying to do is to dissipate the electricity into the ground as all electricity wants to neutralize itself.

And in the process our planet uses these hurricanes to transfer heat from the equator to the north and to try and equalize heat distribution around the planet. So in my opinion the reason we’ve had such nasty hurricanes and are going to see some really other nastier ones is because of the amount of electricity that’s coming off of the sun and the fact that at the time of the 2003 Bonda Achi quake we lost 15% of our upper atmosphere. It was blown off in a solar expulsion. We’ve had a recent another CME which also blew off some more of our atmosphere thus reducing the distance between the ionosphere and that point of the mercury that the electricity wants to ground out or start trying to ground out on. And so when hurricanes strengthened by going back over water, it’s because there’s no ability for the electricity to ground out over the water.

And more of the electricity keeps pouring in from the ionosphere until the hurricane wanders back onto the land and grounds out through the crystalline structure of the rock and all the metal and everything we’ve got lying around. It’s the same deal with tornadoes. Ever notice how tornadoes love to eat mobile homes? Yes. Okay.

It’s because those are a nice quick easy ground. You can see that shiny aluminum waiting to dissipate electricity. If you were a tornado you can see it miles away. It’s drawing you. It’s actually pulling you there.

And there was a guy I know who lived in, I want to say South Carolina, but maybe it was North Carolina that had mobile homes in a mobile home park that had been hit by a tornado. And so he set up lightning arresters all over the perimeter of the property. And they have not had tornadoes in that section of the county ever since he’s done that because he’s constantly dissipating electricity into a fence wire that then takes it down into the ground. So just practical use for a little bit of knowledge here. Sounds like something you would do.

Yes, sounds like something I would do. Yeah. But I’ve played around with the solar stuff and all that electricity way too much, although I won’t go into that anyway. But getting back to the sun, though, and the time aspect of this, it has been a long time. We’ve had the sun disease stuff showing up.

And it wasn’t so much that the sun itself was going to be diseased as it was going to cause humans to go a little sparky where you might find a person in the middle of us. And the data sets would present us with these images of a guy standing in an intersection harness around him, beeping like mad, and he’s just standing there sort of drooling on himself, not really sensate. Other people around him are fine. Those other people walking around are seemingly okay. Some people might be feeling some odd effects, but not enough that there is noticeable.

And then someone helps him across the street and this phenomenon grows, and it has to do with people that are sensitive to whatever it is this energy is that’s pouring out around the sun. And we’re going to find out who these individuals are as they experience this. And I think a lot of them, these early experiencers, are now checking themselves into our mental hospitals. Yeah, my friend and I were having a conversation last night. She was talking about how she feels like the sun makes her tired, like she feels, like, tired all day long.

And then when it gets sundown and she goes inside at night and whatever, then she feels better. But also, you said that about the mental hospital. You think that these energies are so intense that it could cause somebody who would never normally do something like this to commit suicide? I don’t know. Suicide is an interesting thing separately.

Okay. We could say it stepped back a level. Right. And we can say that. Yes.

I would agree with this statement that the sun is and the energy slipping around the sun at the moment are so intense that they will cause individuals that have never before manifested aberrant behavior to do so. Okay. Now how far in terms of degree the aberrant behavior would go towards something like suicide? I don’t know. Suicide is something that relates to not only this life, but past lives.

Yes. Okay. I wouldn’t consider it to be within the category of other ordinary aberrant behavior. Right, right. So I would question that.

But nonetheless, I would say that if such a person was considering or on the edge for suicide that, yeah, these energies could indeed trip you over that. But let’s also acknowledge something, or let’s say something else here. Let me just put it this way. If you go to the Cliff High YouTube channel, there’s a YouTube video I did a long time ago, and it’s things for people to consider or thoughts for people who are considering suicide. Okay.

It’s a nice little video for anybody that may be contemplating this because it gives you a different perspective on the contemplation aspect and all aspects of it. So we need to go into it now. It goes on for a half an hour. Yeah. So I guess maybe the more appropriate question is, could possibly some of the symptoms caused by these energies of the sun irritate a person into a situation where maybe they’d be willing to do something completely out of their character, such as to assess?

I certainly would agree with that, that these are energies that are extra character motivating. And that’s why I think we’re going to see individuals as well as group psychosis develop over these next few years. And this is a subset or a part of the existential threat that we’re facing at this time. Now, it could be. We can also say that there may be a correlation all right, in a data mining sense, there may be a correlation between the energies that we’re feeling now and the energies that were at the same type of energy, just not the same level of intensity that affected the Mongolian mass migration.

Okay? Okay. People say that historians say the Mongolian people went mad and they killed so many people on the Earth that they altered the carbon footprint of the time. Okay? So this is true.

Some aspect of it is true, whether madness is there or not, but it is true. They killed so many people that they almost threatened the non Mongolian species existence within their part of universe. And they did alter the carbon footprint of the planet, and it was happening under exactly the same kind of conditions we have now, except the Earth had a larger atmosphere that we think and was more protected, so they made the level of now. So we’re getting a bigger hit now.

We’re going to have all those kind of weird things going on. It doesn’t help, too, by the way, that humans are participating by doing weird things like shoving vast quantities of electricity into the planet, right. So consider the hurricane issue, right? Hurricanes don’t like going to Spain or Gibraltar. They don’t like grounding out there.

The way in which the rotation of the planet is. It’s easier for them to spin counterclockwise and head off to North America. But even if they wanted to go to Europe to ground out now, they wouldn’t be able to because CERN is shoving so much electricity into Europe that it’s actually altering the electrical balance of the planet. So that’s causing issues. And what happens if we get to a point where there’s so much electricity in the ground that we can’t ground out a hurricane?

Does it go and become a perpetual hurricane bouncing off the North Pole and back down to the South Pole and devastating in between, like a super pong or something? What you just said made me think of a question. I don’t even know if I know how to ask this question, but I’m going to try. And it relates to what we’re talking about. A few minutes ago, the Equifax, you’ve heard them talk with these, like, D wave computers and Alice computers, wake computers that are related to CERN, that they are trying to get information from other realities, other dimensions, and bring it back in here and take ones from this reality and put it into other ones.

Could this Equifax thing, because of the sheer size of it, be the kind of thing that would happen through one of those computers where something from some intelligence, from another dimension, another reality is pulling information through, and for them, that amount is not a lot. Right. They have the computing power to be able to get through that really quickly. I could dispute that on a lot of different levels, but what I would ask is, what the hell would they do it with it? Do they have credit cards over there?

Have you heard that guy Jordy Rose or Gordy Rose, whatever his name is, and some of these others who talk about how these systems work and how they’re trying to essentially take information from other realities. Okay, sure. Yeah. Even if they were just, let’s just say, having a test run, right? Let’s see what we can grab, you know what I mean?

And they take a chunk here and they take a chunk there, and to them, the amount of things that we think of as a lot of terabytes to them, that’s just a little bit yeah, I hear what you’re saying. And in fact, if you were going to postulate that, they may even have a way where it’s like the inside of the TARDIS, right? They only have to grab one bite to get it all, that kind of thing, because of hyperdimensional. But that brings me back to one of the big issues that I was wrestling with, that I was going to try and involve your mind with, which is this time I’m going to read you something. Okay?

It’s not very long, but it’s about time. I’m going to skip around in this little tiny four paragraph piece of writing from the Anderson Institute. Anderson is a doctor, a physicist who deals in time. Dr. David Anderson, who basically disappeared.

Right. Time domain technology. Correct. Okay, so now he says on his side, he says time is a measured or measurable period, a continuum that lacks spatial dimensions, and time is a philosophical interest and also the subject of mathematics and scientific investigation. Then I’m going to do a big jump here, and it’s like, let me see where it was about.

Okay. Among prominent philosophers, there are two distinct viewpoints on time. Now, we’ll dispute that, okay? He’s going to say there’s only two, but I’m going to present you with many more in different ways to look at it here. One view is that time is part of a fundamental structure of the universe, a dimension in which events occur in sequence.

Time travel, in this view, becomes a possibility as other times persist, like frames in a movie that are still on the real, not being shown at the moment. Okay? This was the view held by Sir Isaac Newton, and it became known as the realist view. So time exists independent of everything else, just like space. The opposing view, which is held by people like Emmanuel Kant and Godfrey Liebnitz and other guys, is that time does not refer to any kind of a container, okay?

There is no container, no frames or anything like that that hold time at all. Thus, we don’t move through time in any way, shape or form, and that time is instead a part of a fundamental intellectual structure, the same as space and numbers that exist only in our heads, basically, okay? And so in that sense, time can’t be traveled. The past does not exist anymore, and time is neither an event or a thing, and thus itself is not really measurable. That what we’re measuring is some mechanical device or electronic device or crystal pulsation and not really time itself.

All of those things are accurate, okay? It’s perfectly true that we’ve never measured time. We’re measuring time the same way we measure a heart rate by taking a pulse. The pulse is not the actual heartbeat. So then we get to some interesting thinking here, which you just brought up, all right?

That is the statement in here about how the opposing view is that time does not refer to a container, but as part of a fundamental intellectual construct. And I think we can falsify this statement and thus prove in an intellectual differential calculus kind of a way, that some things that are time and some things that are not time. Because we can note right now, we can ask ourselves some interesting questions here. Does time affect biology or does biology affect time? Okay, did dinosaurs have time?

Do chickens have time? All right, so let’s just examine this with chickens for a moment. Chickens, what would they measure time by? What does a human measure time by in the absence of mechanical clocks and stuff? What did our ancestors measure time by?

Well, they measured them by predictable events that they knew would reoccur in the future or events that had their own time spool, so to speak, which is like giving birth to someone, all right? And then you watch them age. So, you know, time in the aging, and even if you don’t have mirrors to see your own self age, you would notice that this other individual is aging that you gave birth to, right? Or whose life began when yours was at a certain point. And so we at least have the observational tools to measure time absent a mechanical form.

Now, would chickens be able to do this? Probably not. Not only being bird brains, but I’m of the opinion that biology and time are inextricably linked and that time doesn’t exist for the chickens. The same way it does for mammals because chickens are egg layers, and thus as egg layers, they’re going to have a clutch of eggs. Those chickens will hatch and go off.

They’ll have another clutch of eggs. But the chicken itself does not in any way mark time. Couldn’t mark time mentally in an intellectual construct from one clutch to another by watching the various little hens grow up. Nor does that chicken have any gestation hormones. Hormones, I think, are a real key to time, and that that gestation hormones in the male as well as the female, because males have gestation hormones, albeit entirely different set when they’re involved in that process, right in the process of pregnancy and birth.

And the gestation hormones on males are triggered off of testosterone versus the estrogen. So it’s complementary. But they both, I think, bring in the ability to gain wisdom and time. And that time itself is required for all of us to be not only mature, but to be able to gain wisdom in our thinking and then to understand ourselves enough to be able to express that wisdom through the consciousness. Now, here’s the thing about this.

I do a lot of thinking about time because of the nature of my work, trying to identify when the words will appear and what they’re forecasting and so on. And so consequently, I keep coming back to these various different people like Cozy Rev and some of the other experimenters in time, such as Anderson. Anderson has never claimed that he’s done time travel, as George Nori and Art Bell think, okay, he can’t go into the past. I know this now. I know this because the past, as Newton thought, as frames in a movie, does not exist.

And I have absolute proof that it doesn’t exist because of consciousness. So because we can imagine to ourselves, all right, so Marty McFly is going to get into the car and go zipping back to 1985. Well, there’s kind of a problem. A lot of people that existed in 1985 died in 1985 or 1990, and their consciousness is no longer in this realm. Okay, so are we to expect the consciousness exists forever in a perpetual, constant prison of living through all of its previous lives and moments all the time?

I don’t think so. I think consciousness is able to record time because it is the thing that is actually experiencing time. And without consciousness to experience it, time per se doesn’t exist the way that we actually experience it as humans. So the consciousness that’s in a chicken while it’s recording time, that chicken is not conscious of the time the way we are. And if I’m correct about this, other dimensions don’t exist.

There are no twelve other dimensions. There’s no other dimension in which there’s corporeal matter that is out of phase with ours, where they’re going to steal our data or whatever. Now, that’s not to say that there’s not intelligences that we cannot perceive because I’m quite certain those exist. And I know that they exist because we’ve only got four senses. And I know that those four senses have very limited ranges.

And thus I know that there’s X ray beings could exist and I can’t see X ray, so I’d have no way of knowing that they exist. And so there’s all different kinds of spectra that I cannot see in the material that I cannot experience. And I know that that the potential exists for there to be some form of intelligence or consciousness that expresses itself within those areas that the spectra don’t pick up. So this would be all of the the unseen entities that could attach to you, right? This would be the place from which channelers come this would be the place from which channelers get their information.

Not from some spaceship 1000 miles over the Earth with a corporeal being beaming these thoughts down, but from the fact that you opened up your mind and allowed these unseen thoughts, if you will, that are persistent to enter. In your mind, and they’re going to take some of your life energy. And they’ll tell you any kind of a lie that will continue to get you to connect with them so they can keep taking your life energy away from them. And channeling I personally think is a very dangerous activity for individuals to do and that it really affects your next life in a serious way. Wow, you just said a lot of stuff.

My first question is kind of what you ended there with and then maybe work backwards. There were so many things other dimensions don’t exist. Could it possibly be that the thing that we think of as other dimensions are just different layers of our consciousness that we are sort of working through. And because human beings and because of, in some ways our nature but also because of the ways that we’ve been programmed and whatever, we have this tendency to want to externalize everything. We want to look for things outside of ourselves.

So rather than the various layers of our consciousness being those things you were talking about, future of the past and all that at the time basically different layers of our consciousness we’re more inclined, whether it be naturally or by other means to think of it as something outside of ourselves, therefore other dimension. Because dimension also sort of implies a little bit place and we tend to like to think of things that way, like to know where something is. We like to know that kind of thing that way. And the people who are running things, they recognize that this is a fundamental fault or error that humans make and so they create all of these big outside bogeymen or outside powers for us to basically anchor the idea that all of those things are outside of ourselves instead of being things that are inside of our consciousness. I know you hear a lot of the shows we’ve done.

But one of the things that Randy and I talk about quite a bit and in some ways we’ve hammered in on it in other ways, maybe not as much as we should. I’m of the opinion that the secret space program is actually about exploring consciousness, about creating a space inside of people’s heads. To program could be that the secret space program is also what they’re calling brain mapping, right? The thing that they’re trying to convince us is out there is really inside of ourselves and that’s what they’re really interested and that’s why there’s so much mind control and whatnot wrapped in with that. And so all of these external places are really that’s the big lie.

They’re getting us to focus on places outside of us instead of levels within side of ourselves. Okay, so let’s start with some sort of definitions, right? Or some perspectives. Okay? My perspective is that consciousness is inviolate.

It’s like space. First off, we know that space is unaffected by matter inside it, okay? And we also know we cannot define space without the matter from which to spring our definitions. So how do you define space absent matter? So consciousness is kind of a funny thing because you can’t expand your consciousness, you can’t change it.

It simply is. Even the word is very interesting and unique. Many other cultures do not have the concept. You have to let that sink in for a second. They have the idea they can translate the word and when they translate the word, there may be quite a bit that’s lost in translation.

Okay? It’s a very interesting word in the English language and it has ramifications that many other cultures don’t have. However, Sanskrit does have concepts for consciousness and they’ve got a language history that’s about 5000 years older and longer than English. So they’ve got some people that really thought about consciousness then and of course all the yogis they go on into it in a serious way and think about consciousness. And some of the things we know are that consciousness can’t change ever.

And we know this and you can prove it to yourself because you go to sleep at night and you wake up in the morning and there is still the ever present you, right? No matter what you feel you every single morning. And when they knock you out for surgery or in a fight or something and you come back to it, you may feel damaged and broken in the body, but the u is still there and it’s still the same you that was knocked out. And so consciousness doesn’t change. And if you take lots of psychedelic drugs, even really huge levels of shamanic psychedelic drugs, you cannot change your consciousness.

It proves to you that consciousness is inviolate. It is the fundamental nature of everything consciousness is. And that’s the only thing we can really say about it. In that way it’s similar to space, right? So that’s an easy wouldn’t that sort of lend to this idea of being able to kind of internalize externalize?

Correct. Now I have to qualify this and say, I go out with those night vision goggles, and I see those bastards trucking around up there and doing stuff in a human fashion, right? I can say, look, those three ships are delivering something to that other big ship over there. They’re only going to stay a little bit, and then they’re going to head back over towards that constellation and go out of my sight. Sure enough, they do.

And so I can see logistic movements and so on. So I think externalized humans in corporeal form are in charge of those ships. Whether they’re there inside the ship or not, whether it’s a drone or not, there’s human consciousness that’s controlling it independent of that. So in that sense, I do not think that those things exist within my consciousness right now. Also, I know that my consciousness doesn’t hold things, okay?

It doesn’t hold aggravation or things from previous lives. My consciousness is well aware that it has lived in the past, that there have been other this body experiences, and I’ve reincarnated. But the karmic baggage that we think of as being part of our consciousness or subconsciousness, I don’t place in consciousness at all, because none of that stuff affects my consciousness. When I die, I’ll go to medium psychosis and spend some period of immeasurable time in various different states that are in this world called heaven and hell and a deep sleep. And then I will be reborn into a new period of time in the period that existed in temporal reality while undead, I won’t have any recognition of or knowledge of.

I’ll just be suddenly into this new time in the new body and have to contend with it from that point forward. However, the consciousness now is quite assured that when it’s in that new body, even then, that consciousness will recognize that it had lived in the past, if not recognizing that it lived in this body. Right?

Correct me if I are you saying that you don’t envision or understand there to be a non physical expression of consciousness per se? No, I’m not saying that at all. Okay. No, explicitly, there are non corporeal forms of consciousness exists. And actually, my thinking is very much like you could use it as an analogy to the great thing about Brahman, okay?

Brahman, the ultimate god, goes and dreams. Dreams us haul into existence for several eternities, gets tired of that dream, wakes up, looks around, all of reality has died, we’re all dead. And then he goes back to sleep and dreams into existence another reality. In that kind of a story, consciousness is brahman in the sense that consciousness exists outside of, before and forever on the other side of the material. The material is just that place where matter exists, where we all.

Think that things are solid, right? And all we are are subsets of the grander universal consciousness, exploring our individuality as consciousness. And the smart individual in this reality takes advantage of that and knows that this reality is not for certain things. This reality is for learning what to do and what not to do over the course of time through many different lives, becoming better at it over time and progressing and doing, gaining less karma each life and using the time more wisely to gain more experience that gains you that next edge in the next life and so on. Right.

And you find certain expressions of that. I do, anyway, because of language. So I actually identify myself for tax purposes as a semi autician. Okay? A semiautician is someone who seeks for meaning in life, and I’ve just found a way to make it profitable by writing about those experiences and using my method to show other people what might be coming in the future, which is why I think about time a lot, okay.

And actually, even the fact that I’m in the future predicting business in no way negates my view that time does not exist as an independent container. This actually comes into an interesting aspect of the web bot itself, and I know you’ve probably responded this many times, but what is the nature of consciousness affecting the outcome of the web bot and the web bot as a feedback loop into expression of conscious intent or probable futures? Because, yeah, we’d actually been there, okay? That was the very first thing it bit me in the ass, okay? So it was like 500 words, maybe 400 words.

Very first forecast that I put out that said, within 85 days, an event is going to occur and things will never be the same thereafter for any of us living here in the United States. I don’t know what that event is, but I think the probability is much more likely to occur within the first part of the 85 days than in the latter half and so on. I screwed up there, right? My numbers were actually reversed because I said this on June 12, 2001, and it was actually the 911, right? The attacks on September the 11th that the data was forecasting.

I had it tagged as a military accident because I didn’t have terrorism as a word encoded, because I’ve only gotten into the Ms by that time in my lexicon. That was a lot of work. It took me the better part of a decade to get all the way up to the Z. But you’re correct about that. The web bot itself, it keeps getting me thinking about time because I saw in the data and knew 85 days before it happened that this thing was going to occur.

And I didn’t know what it was, but I knew the ramifications of it because of the emotional values that were within showing up within my model space. And it’s tricky, but I screwed up because I wrote about it in the way in which I wrote about it the very next time I did a run. All I did was find my own stuff coming back and the whole system blew up and I had to start all over again. And that’s when I had to embed this thing called mom model of model space to isolate my own words out of the potential data mining so that anything that could have been tainted by my own language was removed so I didn’t get into a circuitous loop. And that’s why I was actually so pissed at the blue chicken folk because what they had done was basically circumvented all of this very tedious programming that created mom and kept it going.

And mom is a huge beast because over time more people became aware of the web bot. Thus more areas had to be isolated. Thus that isolation bag kept growing larger and larger and larger relative to the total amount of data I was mining. So the words would be careful to isolate, they put back in. Okay.

Isn’t it interesting that the web bot, in one sense, the awareness of the thing itself creates almost like an alternative? It starts bringing off different branches. And again, my expression this has largely been from a probabilistic universe within a model that says all things which are potential also are likely in a stacked reality system. Now, that’s abstract, and I don’t want to pull you too far off of your theme here. I get what you’re saying.

I deny the stacked reality, though, because of consciousness. Because of my view of consciousness and my exploration of it both with psychedelic drugs and meditation and other things. I’m of the opinion that consciousness at this stage, I found all kinds of evidence that suggests that a stacked reality doesn’t exist and therefore other dimensions as such don’t exist. Although other parts of the spectra that we’re not monitoring with our bodies or our instruments can indeed affect us. And the latter is really interesting because there’s so many other spectra we don’t monitor with instrumentation because it’s in the woo world.

I have a question real quick. Sorry. Okay, so since you’ve done, like, not just psychedelics, and so have I, a lot of the things you experience seem to be futuristic, right? They seem to be futuristic. Some sorts of like high technology that also sometimes seem almost biological.

Some kind of futuristic biological technology.

Maybe because we’re trapped in this thing that about linear time. We think it’s from the future when really we’re just seeing something that is out of our regular spectra of what we can usually visualize sense or how we think about something. So rather than that, sometimes the psychedelic experience almost seems like, quote unquote time travel. Right. For me, I often feel like I’m communicating with my future self and having play back and forth between that.

But that’s interesting to think about it, that it may be stuff that’s already right here, but out of our general sense of the spectrum that we normally see here smell, touch, taste. And when we’re in the psychedelic state, it’s so unusual to us that we automatically seem to think, okay, well, that’s so odd that it can’t have happened yet, so it must be in the future. And you’re right, actually, though, okay, but you are correct. You are talking at times with your own consciousness in what you would think of now as a future time. The reason that that’s possible has to do with the nature of consciousness and its connection through our bodies.

Okay? So if you take enough psychedelic drugs of the appropriate kind for your particular body, you can momentarily or for 12 hours or whatever, you can sever the connection between your body and consciousness at a level that ties it in with time. And thus you’re free to examine your consciousness or be in your consciousness, which is what actually happens. And it’s that after the body dissolves state, that they’re always painting those pictures in the caves, but after that occurs, after you’ve gone through the little death and you’re in that state, your consciousness is there. Now your consciousness exists independent of time, all right?

Your consciousness knows everything that it’s always known. Yeah. And and if there’s a whole lot of that, most of it, 99.99% of it, it doesn’t share with this body’s incarnation. And so when that’s going on and you’re talking to your consciousness in some other realm or ability or connection to a consciousness, that part of consciousness can respond to you about things that are indeed in your future, or it can clear up things that are in your past. Because people that take psychedelics frequently find that the reason for depression goes away.

They can forgive old enemies, they can forgive themselves for their trespasses, they can get over some of their own karmic issues and so on. And this is why psychedelic mushrooms and all other kinds of psychedelics are used in fighting depression, which basically sometimes can be caused by a build up of these things in this body’s collection of past thoughts, really is what it amounts to. Right, because it’s all thoughts. Well, and also the body is very good at storing trauma. Oh yeah, that’s its job.

So it’s very good at storing trauma. And then when you are in that psychedelic space, it allows you to sort of go through and with your entire consciousness sort of opens the entire thing. Go through and get a perspective on it that is like when you’re living in it, everything is so huge and it seems like out of proportion. But when you’re using the entire consciousness that you sort of look at it, it puts it into a perspective where you’re like, okay, I see. Now I understand what that’s a part of how this happened.

It really isn’t that large of a thing. It’s something I can cope with and deal with and sort of move on from. Right, and there’s real benefit to that into your next life as well. A lot of people don’t understand it, but the karma that we carry, okay, so what you’re talking about where your body armors itself? If it’s bringing in a trauma and it’s accepting that trauma and develop some kind of manifestation in the body, it’s gone so far.

If it’s developed that actual behavioral manifestation as to have made an imprint on your soul. Most people don’t understand this because the soul is the template for your next life as well as bringing the karma from your previous life. And so you’ve just added, if you’ve accepted karma like that in a trauma without dealing with it and so on, you’ve just added to the problems you have to deal with in the next life. We’re here in this life to learn what to do and what not to do, okay? And that’s really it.

It’s quite as simple as that. And so if you do those things that you shouldn’t do, you get these responses from universe and you carry those forward and next time it’s kind of like slapping you up the face, say and don’t do that again. You came into life with a gimpy arm because of stabbing all those people all the time in the previous life or something along those lines. Yeah, and it’s not that simple. But nonetheless, the analogy of your soul being tainted by the karmic burdens you carry in this life, that’s how the karma goes from life to life to life.

It’s like your soul is your hash code. All the karma that you’re developing has that hash code. When you reappear in another life, then that hash code comes back into existence and all the karma bonds back on for you to learn to deal with. And so it’s relatively a simple system. However, most people in modern science, as we’ve talked about, they don’t go in and look at these other energies.

There are people like Dr. Dean Raiden and David Anderson who are looking at time and examining things from a scientific perspective. They’re examining woo woo from a scientific perspective with scientific tools. And that is what really what makes them really cool. Now the time aspect of this and the consciousness aspect of it, and then the soul part of it being blended into this.

Now we’re getting into some really deep woo. Okay? When you go into the other part of the consciousness aspect of this with psychedelics, you find that there are certain things that occur. Psychedelics can be used to interrupt that process. So I know a lot of guys that came out of Nom that were heroin addicts and got off of heroin by doing psychedelics.

So they’re not going to carry that addiction burden into their next life because they dealt with it here right? They didn’t armor it into their body, it’s not into their tainted their soul. And so they can move on. A lot of people came out of Vietnam. They weren’t into the new age or the new culture, didn’t get into the drug aspect, and so they drank themselves to death or had horrible experiences and spiraled down in spite of the fact that they may have actually had an easier time than many of the people that were smoking the China White and all of that just to stay marginally sane during the experience.

So it gets into really complicated stuff there. But I think psychedelics are useful to the right personalities and every personality has to know that if you take psychedelics, you don’t go. If you do it at the level that does you good. And we’re not talking ecstasy here, we’re talking the real deal right now. But if you do that stuff, you don’t go back to work on Monday morning.

It might take you two weeks to get your personality integrated, reintegrated to the point where you’re not drooling on yourself half the time or making inappropriate statements or still back in that experience or so on. They can be extremely enlightening. And I agree with you. There are some things that occur within the psychedelic experience where it tests our understanding of consciousness. So I don’t know if it’s ever occurred to you, but I have actually had two psychedelic experiences, three that I can think of where I’ve actually had contact with the other.

Okay? Now we can define the other with a big capital O because the other is consciousness that is not you. And it’s clear that that consciousness is not you. Now this is different from being with a human where you can reach out and touch them and there’s that physical material separation within your mind at that time.

It’s not like hallucinogenics hallucinations. It’s not like a delusion. It is an actual discussion and interaction, a sharing of mind and thoughts with some other consciousness. And when you put that thought into the other consciousness, it disappears behind a wall that is not you. And so, you know, and when the stuff comes out of the other consciousness, it’s not coming from any other part of your own consciousness.

So it is not some layer that’s deep within you or some inability to deal with this sort of thing where you’re sort of tricking yourself. So I’ve had a lot of psychedelic experiences. The majority of them were self oriented in dealing with my own issues. But there were those three times that I’ve specifically contacted the other in those experiences. And now the other presents itself in different guises, in different times, okay?

In different experiences. So once I was talking to the other as the other presented itself as a mantis, as a mantid about six and a half foot high relative to myself. This was over on Crescent Lake. It was late in the summer and we sat there and chatted for, I don’t know, maybe an hour or more. And I learned a great deal of things from the manted.

This was very late in my experience of psychedelics, late in that process. Earlier on I’d had a probably four hour masculine experience where I sat and discussed with the other, again on the side of a lake. But that lake was not a lake in this reality. That was an interesting kind of a thing and that was a being that was more or less human but it just at various times with slightly different colors. So it’d be sort of bluish for a while and then sort of purplish and then back to sort of greenish blue and so on.

Not really glaring or anything, but enough that you noticed it in the process of talking. It was as though he was expressing his emotions not only in the emotionality of his thoughts, not only in the language, but also through the skin, like a mood ring, but his skin. Correct. Yeah, very sophisticated. And so that was an interesting out of this world experience, but it was still within the material.

I was just separated from my consciousness by the psychedelic drugs, separated from its usual state of being and I was able to connect with my consciousness. And in that episode also, I learned a great deal about the nature of the human body. And the nature of the human body was what, later on probably let me think that would have been maybe, say, 20 years later I incorporated some of that knowledge into looking at language relative to precious. Because the human body is interesting because we have all these layers, most of which we don’t see. All we see is surfaces, right?

So we only have four senses. They’re in our craniums. The sensation of feeling that we get when we touch something is our body’s connection to what we call the feeling mind. All right? It is not a sense.

There is no sense organ for feeling touch the way there is for sight, sound, hearing or taste. In each of those cases, you don’t actually see the light. You’re presented with the complete image from the subsystem of your eyes, right? You don’t hear the sound. Right?

So it’s really interesting that you only have these four subsystems as senses. And the discussions on a lot of these things relative to consciousness and with this other being was about that particular discussion was about the nature of the human body and its shells. And you can think of them as at the time, it would seem really simple to me to visualize. You said you think of them as shells. And your electrons, when you look at it and touch it out there, the electron is right there.

But if you’re not looking at that particular level out from the proton, the electron isn’t there until you go to look at it. But if you were to look at the human body in a particular way, you would see that we have these shells around us. So we have our solid, solid body within which is our fluid, solid body, and we suck in air. But there’s also an airy body to us because and you see this out in as there’s temperature differences between your body and the other atmosphere. You see sort of an airy atmosphere that clings to you.

And now we know that we never really move through the atmosphere. Now, what actually happens, science tells us, is that a layer of atoms of air glom onto us. And when we move ourselves through the atmosphere, the atmosphere is gliding over that other layer of atoms of atmosphere not gliding over us. And even when we feel wind, the wind is actually other atoms of atmosphere that are displacing atoms of atmosphere that are already on us. So our interactions with our own environment are not what we’ve been taught and what we really perceive.

Unless, of course, you talk to these guys on the sides of the lake when you’re taking lots of messages. I feel like I was listening to somebody the other day talk about having interaction with someone, that they an entity on an Iowasa experience. I think this was and if I’m getting this a little bit wrong, I apologize. I’m trying to get just it right. I think I heard Frank Castle, who’s on he has a radio show on Truth Frequency Network, and he does a lot of Iowa Waspa journeying.

And he said he was speaking with an entity that was explaining to him that when we travel, we’re actually not going anywhere. Right. Yes. Similar kind of thing that you’re describing. Right.

This is why I also know that time travel isn’t possible, at least not into the past, but that we can actually I know all kinds of things about time that negate those two philosophical views. Okay, I can present you with a third very practical philosophical view of time that allows time to be used very interesting ways in a pragmatic, practical, even industrial sense. So David Anderson, for instance, with his closed time like loops, basically making a temporal lens and a temporal filter, if we were he’s making what he calls time domains, basically, right. He used it in satellites to basically create its own time domain in which it could function because of the stressors under which there was a need to regulate. You can probably explain this better than I.

Well, there’s really very little point because we can make very good analogies for everybody who doesn’t want to get into it. That’s the idea of a time lens where we focus time on something. And I would say, well, why would you want to do that? Well, if, for instance, you wanted to age cheese really rapidly for 100 years or wine and get really good wine, you could do it in elapsed time of maybe days, but inside the time, underneath the time lens, maybe the wine ages 100 years or that kind of thing. Or we wanted to put a patina on brass or something, right?

I mean, you just these are trivial uses of it, but that’s what a time lens would be like. And then a time filter would be filtering out the effects of time on whatever is inside the the container. So you could, for instance, have a time refrigerator that as long as you had this filter of time over it, the stuff would never spoil because it would never progress in time enough, and maybe it wouldn’t even have to be cold. All right, but here’s the thing. Think about this, too.

In the Woo world, cloning, I was going to ask you. Okay, good. Okay. Cloning has to involve if it’s going to be real, which I doubt it is, cloning has to involve a very effective time lens, because no matter what, human bodies can only grow at a certain rate. And so say you were going to try and clone a person.

Well, the idea is, okay, you’d go, and we want to clone the most hated monster we can find, and so we sniff off some of Hillary’s earlobe. All right, we’re going to clone Hillary Clinton. All right, but so what? It’s going to take us 25 years to grow a Hillary Clinton that is even into her 20s, let alone 50 years to grow one who would be a match for the one we’ve got now. And so the original one would die.

So there’s no point in cloning a body of Hillary Clinton unless you can rapidly age it, right? But if you can rapidly age like that with a time lens, which I believe these time lenses are practical devices you can build if you could do that, there’s still all kinds of ramifications for consciousness and cloning that make cloning very difficult to conceive of as being a practical science ever. And some of the ramifications in consciousness had to do with the soul. The fact that anything that’s cloned would not have a soul would not even necessarily develop the same form of brain structure just because there’s a whole lot in us that is the result not of our DNA, but as a result of experience and the crap we’ve been through. Right.

So when you clone someone, do you get a scar? Do you get that same scar on the thumb that he had? No, there wouldn’t be any point to it. The only reason that that exists is because time and circumstances intervened with the material reality. What about sort of because since you brought up clones, I want to ask you a little bit about so you said you doubt that it exists.

So there’s a lot of information out there about cloning, and I agree that maybe that isn’t the appropriate word to use. Do you think that there is something else going on that is more like a copy and paste. That would be a good word. Replicant. Copy and paste.

Yeah. I don’t like the Term clone. It’s too loaded. It’s emotionally charged. Okay.

I like the term replicant. Okay, so replicant or copy and paste or whatever and then certain kinds of partial I don’t want to say consciousness transfer, because I agree with you that consciousness is something very but sort of some sort of an attempt. To replicate consciousness or attempt to replicate memories and then sort of on some sort of type of technology or whatever, sink that up or implement that into this replicated human bodies. Right. You’re talking like the Schwarzenegger movie 6th Day or whatever.

I haven’t seen the Schwarzenegger movie, so I’m not sure. But I do understand what you’re saying. Like, suck up your consciousness in a machine and then shoot it into the club. Kind of like, what are the things that sometimes in my vast I spend a lot of time doing a lot of abstract thinking, and I have lots of strange thoughts occur to me. And sometimes it does almost feel like there’s something recording my experiences from inside of me aside from just my own consciousness.

Right. Like there’s some sort of technology attempting to watch what I’m experiencing in my own head. Some sort of observer kind of technology. Let’s take the technology aspect out of that. And I agree with you.

Some sort of observer something is that’s because humans have seven minds. Okay. All right. And so what you’re saying is that you’ve become aware of yet another mind that you have a lot of people call these your higher powers and stuff. Right?

Right. But for instance, you do not think inside your brain. I know. Okay. So your brain is an antenna, and so it picks up and connects to your body mind, your feeling mind and your desire mind.

These are usually the only minds that humans are aware of when they’re in this space. In reality, you have other minds. You have a thinker mind and you have a knower mind. There’s a smaller subset of there that’s rightness. And reason.

Okay. These are also minor minds, so to speak. But here’s the thing. You could be in your regular most humans truck around. Okay, well, getting back to your point about the cloning real quick.

Yes, I believe that there are people trying to do this. And I think that they’re doing this trying to do this technologically. And I think that these are the same people that are in that part of the population that believe we are our bodies, that think we’re basically biological robots. Okay? These are the people that are having their war on consciousness in science and in literature and everywhere else.

These people believe that such things are possible, and they will not have that belief challenged because of the nature of their are you talking about people like ray Criswell yeah, exactly. And all of the people that funnel money, basically a very materialist philosophy. Correct. And they will not have consciousness anymore. They tried to get rid of it through destroying the gnostics.

They tried to get rid of it by destroying the Templars, all of these kind of things, right. Because they were really a gnostic sect within Christianity. Most people don’t realize this. That the famous thing. There was this king that went to the Pope and he said, well, I can’t go in and get rid of all of these Templars because there’s a lot of good Catholics in among them, right?

And the Pope said, kill them all. God knows his own. And from there that we get this saying, kill them all sort of sorted out, right? Okay. But these people believe they are their bodies, and that is the fallacy from which all of that springs, okay?

Now, on the other side of this, on the consciousness side of things, the ability now, I don’t believe that they’re successful. I do believe you can do replication to some degree, but you’re not replicating the individual. You’re not shoving consciousness over. There is no soul translation, and there’s impacts even on this, on your next life and your next incarnation. And a lot of that is what these people are trying to not do.

They don’t want to reincarnate. They want to keep the power they have here continue to exist and all of this kind of thing, right? They don’t understand what humans are, obviously. They don’t care about much. Okay, so are any of these things they’re attempting to do, like, whether they’re successful or not completely.

Are they affecting our actual consciousness? Right. So, like, if they are trying to make a replicant of some of us and then trying to whether it works or not in some way copy our mind or what they think, if they think they’re copying our consciousness or copy our intelligence or our memories and put it into these replicated bodies. Does that have any kind of resonant effect on our consciousness? Our bodies?

It does, but not at the consciousness level. It has to do with the body mind level. Okay? So think of it this way. Think of it this way.

You have a mind that keeps you breathing, whether you think about breathing or not, okay? It keeps your kidneys functioning whether you think you’ve got to go pee or not, right? And so this is your body mind. You know, you’re in your body mind when you sustain an injury or where you’re facing a life threatening illness, because at that point, actually, you can know all three minds. The clearest is when you’re in your greatest apparel, and you can easily, if you’re paying attention and self monitoring, you can see yourself shifting from mind to mind to mind.

So, for instance, you’re in great peril. You think you might die. And so all of your focus is. On your body, and there’s this very tenuous feeling you have, so to speak, with your connection with reality. At that stage, you can find your mind shifting into feeling mind, where it’s all of the emotions and stuff, and you want to express them and all of this to all the people.

You’ve never expressed them. You’re deep into that feeling of it, all right? Or you’re into desire mind, where, oh, I’ve got to live because I’ve got to do this, I must achieve that. I’ve got to make it right with these people or whatever. And so that’s where the willpower to overcome things like life threatening conditions comes from, not from the body mind, because the body mind, when it’s stabbed, and I’ve been stabbed, so I’ll let you know.

The very first thing that happens is that your consciousness collapses into your body mind, and any thoughts beyond that are really not possible during that period of time when you’re struggling with shock and that sort of state. So in that sense, the nature of the mind that you’re feeling, those are the three minds you usually exist in. Now, they could be doing this cloning stuff. Let me get back to your observer issue real quick. What you’re feeling is one of your other two minds, likely the knower mind or the real thinker mind.

And so this is actually a sign of personal progression because an enlightened being operates in many more than just the three minds of body mind, desire mind, and feeling mind. Okay? They’ll actually get into thinker and know her. But anyway, so getting back to the resonance issue okay, so your body mind, it’s not aware that you’ve been cloned or that there is a Replicant that is being built, but those cells that are taken from you, that are used in that process create a resonance in our physical reality simply because they are basically working off of the same codes that your body mind is trying to control. So it may cause a certain level of disharmony within your personal body mind as these other things are attempting to be grown simply because they’re also in the same universe, vibrating basically at the same level of your complexity.

And thus your body mind is going to pick them up. So let’s take another little tangent here, okay, and go back to the idea that reality, and from my viewpoint, is based on a pulse and that there’s this pulse that started off in no space, no space at all. And so the pulse came out. It happens 22 trillion times a second. And so the pulse came out.

And since there was no space anywhere, it crossed itself in no space an infinite number of times within that very 1st, 2nd, or very 1st, 122 trillionth part of a second until complexity arose. And then there was a pause, and then it pulsed again through the exact same spaces, non spaces, to recreate that exact same complexity, and then it added more complexity on. Okay, so now here’s the thing. So here’s the idea that pulse, when it got complex enough, when the overlays got dense enough, matter was created because this pulse is energy, and it did the e equals MC squared back the other way to create matter, okay? And when it did so, that matter created space with it.

And along with space came the potential for time. I don’t think there’s such a thing as space to come, okay? All right, this is the little blue theory. It’s not the big bang theory, okay? And so universe is continually doing that because that pulse continues, all right?

So it’s creating new matter way the hell out in the far reaches of universe right now, and space being created with each chunk of matter. And so you can see the very first chunk of matter it created was the hydrogen ion, the very simplest form. But now it’s out creating molecules that are incredibly dense and complicated and so on. And so get this. This relates to all of us because our body minds have, for lack of a better word, a numeric value that represents our specific level of complexity as we go through time, okay?

That level of complexity changes as we go through time as it results from the scars and the other levels of complex stuff that occur to us that we take in. And if we take in enough of this stuff, we can actually impress it deep enough that that level of complexity goes into our soul and goes with us to the next life. So it’s all integrated in that regard, right? But here’s the thing about the time and the pulse of all of this. Our body minds have, so to speak, a complexity value.

And so this is another reason I know that time travel into the past is not possible. And it’s not possible because I am a complex being now that has molecules in me now at this age that that did not exist in the 1950s. So if my body was to attempt to be shoved back into the 1950s, the pulse of the 1950s would have to suddenly accommodate the complexity of the 2017 because I would have to be recreated. Otherwise, it would be like a giant antimatter explosion as my body went and annihilated itself because the pulse annihilated itself because it couldn’t cope with the complexity. What about time travel into the future?

Is that something that is either a, possible, or b, we’re calling it the wrong thing. It’s actually something else. And because we tend to think of things as past and future, it’s actually we’re thinking, let’s qualify something. Are we talking physical time travel, or are we allowing for the fact that I’m getting that go off? Yeah, he came in when he was talking about the really interesting stuff.

Okay, we had somebody who joined that. Let me back off the mic. See if that helps. So are we talking physical or are we allowing for the fact of a remote viewing type of situation where consciousness itself projects either forward or backward? Okay.

Remote viewing is not as people understand it, but I would say that we do have that. Okay? Corporeal time travel, I understand it’s not by itself a time right mechanism. Right. And consciousness is and is independent of time.

So if you could actually figure out a way to talk to consciousness, you could ask it about any time and get an accurate impression, right. If you could figure out how to do that. Corporeal time travel is not possible. Bongo was never shoved through an energy field, pushed into any other time, nor could we do that with time travel into the future. corporeally, in essence, we are all traveling into the future every millisecond.

Right? We’re all time travelers in that regard. Now, time knowledge and knowledge of potential and probable events into the future, that’s my business. Okay. And I understand, I think, why that occurs.

And it goes back to your understanding of the body and what we were talking about, the human body and how there’s all these layers on it. Okay? Because at some layer way out there, which we can actually measure if we get all the right gear, you can detect heartbeats sometimes 60, 80ft away, individual magnetic signatures of individual hearts that can be detected that far. We do it with heat. Heat sensors can find you from helicopters hundreds of feet over you and you can get a heat signature that, while it varies because of exertion and so on, there’s a core level of it that can actually be tagged by computer.

And you can identify one person from another in a crowd based on their heat signature from their heart, how much clothing they happen to have on at that moment, but also the blood flow and everything. But there’s a layer out there that we can call, for lack of a better word, a radiant or energetic layer. Okay? That energetic layer, in my opinion, is really quite connected to the soul. Is that that energetic layer very unique karma attaches to us.

It’s very unique, right? Correct. Absolutely unique. And this is why I know, again, cloning and time travel don’t exist as we’re told, all right? Because within my understanding of the universe, because we can’t go back in the past because the pulse couldn’t handle the complexity jump, and because now there’s molecules that the pulse in 1950s didn’t know how to make, and that has to make them.

Now, some people will think that’s a really lame argument, but if you really think about it, there’s also the other aspect of it, and that is that consciousness doesn’t exist on all those people that have died. And so you couldn’t go back and find their consciousness in the 50s recreating the things that that they had thought about. So to speak. Now, there’s some sort of weird loopholes to this, but in any event, the nature of I’m sorry, I lost the thought there. So we were talking about future or future projection, right?

Okay, so we can’t travel into the future corporally, but we can know what the future is going to have for us. Now, what we’ll find though is not certain, but it is probability or potential, okay? Even in an electrical sense, although we’re not dealing with electricity, there’s a potential for certain levels of the pulse in the future to coalesce into certain ways to create certain kinds of events. Now, so we can say certain events are more likely to occur. And we can say this at one level because of the personalities in there, because certain personalities have their own level of Karma.

So if you had a Karma reader, right, and so you could hold up a sheet of paper and look at people through the sheet of paper and see their Karmic effect, you can say, oh, if that person gets elected president, we’re going to have a war because of these things within their Karma, forcing them to always think that particular way. Or if that person is in this particular job, this accident will occur because of the nature of the Karma that affects that person. And you can say that there’s a potential for that to occur. And then whether it manifests, whether that probability bubble collapses into the future, you project that’s where we get into the error ratio, especially within my work, because what I’m trying to do is to aggravate a lot of these clues and see where the probability bubble of potential is going to collapse into a reality. And this is something that Cozy Red talked about.

This is what they talk about in the quantum computers. They are always talking in quantum Annealing. They’re basically throwing up all of the atoms and then collapsing it and hoping that the answer is within the collapsed field. Quantum computing is nowhere near as deadly as people think, by the way. Quantum computing is just into some serious woohoo and they’ve got some big problems developing as a entirely separate thing.

But so here’s how the future actually works. We know, for instance, from the work of Dean Raiden, whose work is replicated in many different universities, and he’s replicated it over and over again that humans can see in the future. You have a feeling, your feeling body knows who’s on the other side of the door before you open it up frequently, or who’s going to be on the phone even before you see the Caller ID, right? Or even you hear in your head a millisecond before the ringtone actually starts. You hear that ringtone from that person and you know they’re calling you and you don’t even think about it anymore.

But in the old days, before Caller ID and all of this kind of stuff, it was a common thing in telephone conversations to say, oh, I knew it was you. Yeah, it just happened all the time. And then Caller ID came along, and it was like, no point to saying that sort of thing anymore. However, that shows that our consciousness is connected to the future events that will affect us at a body level, okay? It’s in this body that that’s being affected, and it’s presenting itself, and our consciousness can say, oh, look, it’s so and so, calling this other consciousness that’s coming through, and my body is resonating in this way at this time.

Does our consciousness exist sort of outside of time? It creates time in order for us to experience itself. I don’t know that it creates time, okay? I don’t know that the other aspect. It attaches.

Correct. That’s how I think of it. Some sensible way to experience it, some way that we can decode or understand, interpret. Yeah. Integrate.

Correct. Okay. That’s my understanding. The best. Integrated.

Good. Yeah. Okay, so we have karma we got to work out, and it doesn’t really work if we don’t have time, if these events are not presented to us in such a way. And so here’s the beauty of Karma and our thinking. And I know that we’re in a system that leads to progression.

What that progression means to individual consciousness. I can’t go into it’d be all speculation, but we do progress. But I know that this is the case just because we are able to affect, and that always we don’t have robotic, biological, or otherwise results. So, in other words, human behavior is so variant that when the probability potential collapses into a reality, sometimes it collapses this way, and other times for it may collapse another way, even though the potential is all the same right there, and it collapses differently based on the personalities involved. So consciousness affects time.

Cozy Rev noticed this when he was kind of similar to epigenetics, like a similar epigenetics, only the other way. Only the other way. Okay, so time can affect biology, and we know that time affects biology because we wake up when we look older, got white my beard. I don’t know what you’re talking about. Well, of course it doesn’t show on you at all.

And we’ll get into that some other time. But time affects biology. But biology, our consciousness through our biology also affects time. Cozy Rib noticed this when he was in the Gulag. And I noticed this the very first time I talked to Randy.

The very first time I spoke to him within Milliseconds, I noticed he was temporarily sensitive. Okay? So that tells me in my scheme of things, that Randy’s got a contact with something other than those three minds, all right? So he’s either occasionally into his knower mind or occasionally into his thinker mind, and that that intrudes and leaks into his experience in this reality and how he expresses it, because he’s picking up temporal things body mind is not particularly time sensitive at all, right? Desire mind is never time sensitive.

Feeling mind lives in time continuously and always wants it to exist longer to maximize that feeling or minimize that feeling depending on whether it’s a good or a bad feeling. Right? Now note women are more often in combination of body mind, feeling mind, and men are more often in body mind, desire mind. Okay? And there’s reasons, I think, that mind control is being done the way it is.

And there’s also reasons that they attempted to harmonize with certain temporal influences to create the culture war that led to what I think people call third wave feminism, okay? I see third wave feminism as an adjunct to transhumanism, and I see that as an aspect of things that they’re trying to do to alter the balance between feeling mind and desire mind and to force us into certain relationships that way for their own reasons. The evil bad guys, the powers that be with all of their G wave stuff and all that kind of business. So it’s a very interesting situation relative to consciousness and the relationship of consciousness to time and the future. And in my work, I’ve had to codify words which are one of our expressions in the material of the vibration that is us experiencing the vibration that is universe.

Now, the people that are trapped in their bodies, that think they are their bodies, the robotic biologists or biological robot guys, they see matter as solid. They don’t think we’re energetic. They don’t see matter as being they don’t really buy the idea that atoms are a wave or a particle, depending on whether you want to poke at them or ride them, basically. And so we get into these conflicts, and I think that’s where mind control I think that’s where the memes of cloning. I think it’s all these transhumanists and those kind of guys that are monkeying around with this machinery to try and mess with consciousness, not understanding that no machinery ever will be able to manifest and affect consciousness.

That would be the same idea that something you could build in SIM City simulation would show up in your garage. The only thing they can hope for is that people will become so invested in SIM City that they will begin to believe that that is reality. Right? Correct. Unless we get into the blue chickens and all of those kind of things also being pimped out about Burning Man, the European version of Burning Man, all of these kind of things, right?

And so those are all attempts to do consciousness engineering, if you will, or manipulation, as I believe CERN is. And to a certain extent, I think all of the quantum computers are as well. But because these people have a misunderstanding of the material, in my opinion, because I’m against the mainstream science, they’re working on the Big Bang theory, and I’m on the little blue theory. I like the little blue better so far. So do I.

It makes a lot more sense. If you want to read a real scientific understanding of the little Bloop theory, go read. I’ll come up with the word the name of it later, but just dr. Fred Bell wrote some marvelous books. Is Fred Bell Hartbell’s brother?

No, cousin. Cousin. Yeah. They are related. And he was killed by the CIA right after right when he was right, absolutely.

Jesse Ventura. Right. Was it like a day after or something like that? Yeah. But anyway, he was a marvelous mind and he had come to many of the same conclusions I had independently.

And when I read it, I was quite shocked when I read this. I think it’s The Secret of Intelligence or how to Get Intelligence, some weird name for this book. But it’s just phenomenal discussion about how reality forms itself. And I wanted to get hold of him to find out if he’d taken that thinking to include consciousness after that. And I just don’t know that he had or not.

He was deceased by that .1 of the few people I would have traveled to actually talk to and say okay, you son of a bitch, now tell me what you think about this. He had a really good, sharp mind there. But see, these guys don’t grasp it. And so that’s what’s gotten all of us into problems because they’re taking us down this irrational, materialism viewpoint and leaving behind everything that makes us human. And here we are in this set of circumstances that are not doing us very well.

But at the moment we’re busting out of it, that aspect of our culture has changed. We’re going through temporal influences that won’t bring it back like we discussed in our first show. We’re down through that loop. We’re coming out of that second hundred years. Those temporal influences are manifesting.

So there’s things that are bigger and larger than our individual consciousness is at play and our individual consciousness is, so to speak, swimming in this larger sea of consciousness expressing itself as the reality around us. And I think that we’ve had it it’s done with the lessons that we could have learned from being stuck these last 30 years in a degrading bond cycle in a corrupt society and all of these kind of things. So we’re expressing all of that karma that needed to come out. And so we won’t be repeating that. We’re not going to stay in this.

We’re going to evolve into something else probably extremely rapidly over these next four or five years. I see this a lot. Do you see right now, maybe it isn’t like the masses of people and I don’t mean this when I say, like, specific individuals. I don’t mean that they’re more important than others. But there are specific individuals making changes in their life and beginning to live their life in a way that really affects that that has the effect that you’re talking about.

That is the bust out kind of thing that is going to make it harder for them to control the masses, because certain specific individuals, let’s say, that have a certain energy or aura or presence about them that them doing it magnifies out, even if not everybody else is doing what they’re doing. The fact that certain specific people are making certain changes in their life that will prevent them from being controlled the way that we all have been controlled in the past, and just them continuing on that path, and other people, even if they’re just observing it, makes that change, of course. And you’re specifically talking right to why that pope I forget what his name is on October the 13th of Friday, had all of the Templars rounded up and incarcerated and killed. They used to kill people for having ideas and expressing those ideas because they knew how dangerous it was. All right, we’d all be in trouble, Cliff, if they still did that, we wouldn’t be here.

That’s the way it is. We were born specifically in this period of time, to go through this time in order to have our karma and our consciousness learn from what this time offers us. I know people that are actually and I expressed it myself in my youth, a fascination with a particular period in the past. And a lot of people have this, right, and it leads to those people that get really hyper fixated on it and say, oh, well, I’m a reincarnated handmaiden to nefertiti, or someplace, right? Okay.

Well, they’re fascinated with that period of time. They don’t know why their consciousness at this stage, their their body, mind, feeling mind, desire, mind, puts a connection there. They accept it, and that’s their reality, and that’s their paradigm. And it does not matter that at some level it’s probably true, and at some level it’s 100% false, because we have no way of knowing who we were in a past life. But frequently we will know those ages in which we lived in past lives, because I’m an emotional resonance to the history, the people, the time, the colors, the colors, the architecture, the art.

So you’re not a fan of past life regression, I take it. No, see, there’s the thing, okay, I’m not a fan of it. I think it can be extremely useful, but I think that the paradigm that they use around it is misunderstood because they think of it as regressing through into past lives. And in fact, what they’re actually doing, I believe again, in my perspective, is that they’re moving the ability of that body to connect to its consciousness. Now, if you can do that, the past life might not even be your own.

Because your consciousness might know something of someone else’s life and be handing you basically what you want to know because the consciousness is indiscriminate. About that in terms of it will provide you, as we know from taking psychedelics with what you want to learn and what you need to deal with. So past life regression, I think, is extremely fascinating, just as is the backward speaking thing. But that doesn’t relate to subconscious because we don’t have a subconscious mind that way. We have consciousness, and then when we’re not conscious, we’re not conscious.

Right. There is no you’re not saying that we function in a two tiered consciousness system where the subconscious mind is basically buried and we’re operating from the top projecting layer of consciousness. Don’t buy it at all. That comes from Sigisman schlomo Freud. Okay.

Who was a morphine, cocaine and nicotine addict so bad that he allowed it to destroy his body, had his jaw removed and still insisted on smoking cigars, and whose ravings about his own mental aberrations went to 400,000 words. Were picked up by the Council on by the Tavistock Institute and promoted for their own purposes and sold lockstock and barrel to the Soviets to use for their incarceration stuff. So, no, I don’t buy the idea of the subconscious and the mechanisms that they’re describing and alluding to in the subconscious, the ID and the ego. And all of this can be more easily explained with a different paradigm relative to how our conscious mind works within body, mind feeling, mind and desire, mind bearing in mind your body connects you to all of the trauma and the armor and that level of the karma and so on. The other thing I wanted to ask you, Cliff, was fewer aware of the work of Benjamin Levitt mind Time the Temporal Factor in Consciousness.

No, I haven’t read across it. Leave it as an adjunct to Bennett in his book on consciousness. Okay, what’s interesting about Leave It is he basically says that we’re functioning in a time sequence where he says a half second, it could be milliseconds before the actual physical action occurs. Use the example of a tennis ball and that tennis ball coming across the court. You’re actually responding to the tennis ball before it’s ever left the opponent’s racket.

And effectively you’re moving within that quick of a time frame ahead of the actual physical event itself. Right. And from the predictive mind, from the pattern matching mind. Yes, probably. Okay, and so what that is, is the senses providing you with a presumed trajectory.

And that goes more to the illustration of how fast thought is relative to the slowness of the physical condensate in which we live the material reality. Right. And like with Dennett’s work on consciousness, you get at some point to the same kind of a problem that Freud had. No matter what Freud did, he was using his mind, which he thought of as a single entity, to examine his mind. So basically, he was using his mind to look at his own behavior and drawing conclusions on it and then trying to press them out to everybody else.

Interesting. Yeah. Carl Young basically did the same thing, although not on the level of necropathy that Freud did it. Young was a little bit more healthy in his viewpoint, but he was kind of experimenting on himself and that’s okay. But you notice all psychiatrists are basically wacko why they go into it.

Right. And that’s why I like cozy rabb. Right. Cozy Rabb was a scientist and astrophysicist who was forced into the Gulag. And during that period of time, while he was his imprisonment, he started thinking about time because he had no other tools or anything.

He had to only do it with thought when he came out of it. He had a lot of time on his hands. Yes, doing time can do that, too. But he came out and he thought about time and he was able to prove that our consciousness can actually affect time. So we know that it’s not really we can presuppose that the tennis ball coming over the net and us getting our hand and the stuff out there a millisecond ahead of it is not really time altering from our consciousness, just the predictive mind basing, all of that.

Now, I’ve been in situations of Aikido, okay? Aikido is an interesting martial art because there’s an aspect of it that’s all about key, about the life energy, which is basically about contacting and connecting to consciousness. And so Aikido is very much about mind body harmony. And so in there, we have exercises, key exercises. These key exercises teach you things that, as some people may say, it’s hyper observation, all right?

So you can sit there as somebody who’s done these exercises in an Aikido environment and you can know. And you’re going to have your partner, the naggy, the person who’s going to be thrown is going to attack you and you know, before they even move, when they’re going to move. And if you are as I am, you get to the point where you’ve trained your body to react to your mind much more rapidly than most individuals. So there’s this saying, right? The novice moves from the edges of the extremities, and the sempai, the senior student, they move from their joints, okay?

And the adept moves from the torso. And so that’s a very fast movement, right? You just move your hips of a second fraction of an inch and your entire body shifts. And the bullet or the knife passes you. And there’s no real observable heaving or anything because you’re not reacting from your digits, from your extremities.

But the master moves from the mind, okay? And that’s the most fastest and the most subtle kind of energies around. And I faced it when I was learning aikido. And I was always amazed at how these black belts would know when the thought in my head had formed to attack them. Now, this is before I’d be traded in the sacatic eye movements, before I’d betrayed it in.

The slight stiffening of the skin around the ear, you’ll find that your sensory apparatus will always betray movement a millisecond before the rest of the body does. We harden up our head, so to speak, before we actually start making any other movements. But the master in Aikido is able to sense that key energy. So even just as soon as the thought had formed in my head, the black belt would have already had his hand moving and would simply come on out with his finger and a light tap on my chin, and my key is disrupted, and my attack is all gone to hell. And it had nothing to do with force or any of that.

It all had to do with concepts of time and consciousness and how it relates. Okay, so now I have a question. Sure. What you just described, I think, helped me to formulate a question. Maybe I was trying to ask before.

Do you think that a lot of these programs that were about time travel, like Andrew Bushagos kind of thing, were really about observing children or people who had the ability to affect time with their consciousness, to affect time with their mind? And then try to understand these people who want to materialize everything or who can’t do it themselves or don’t really get it on a certain level that that was what was really going on. And that somehow, whether it be some other kind of manipulation, the child thinks that they’ve been through some sort of program where they’ve been time traveling or traveling through space very quickly or going to far different places when really, they were just being put through a series of tests and exercises where they would observe someone being able to manipulate time with their consciousness or their mind. I wouldn’t buy that at that level, okay? Because I think that the people that might have done such a thing as to kidnap children out of school to do that sort of experimentation actually would try and shove them through big, energetic fields.

I think these are the same kind of people that think that matter can move through time. They think of time as being the frames in the movie. They think of matter as being solid and somehow separate from energy. They don’t grasp the idea that the complexity of the pulse in the 1950s didn’t include all kinds of materials that we have now, including pollution and that kind of thing. And so they don’t really understand the nature of reality and materialism because, by the way, our our bodies are not solid.

Every 22 trillion times a second, the pulse is recreating my body. And think about it. If it did not, okay, say that we were solid, then we would be like giant worms leaving a trail of bodies through time, so to speak. So your body giant worm over your entire planet as everybody moved around, because each body would be there for that particular frame and would go on. So no, I actually don’t think that.

I actually think that these people think that they’re solid, think that they’re material and they would be quite happy to shove a seven year old kid back into time if they thought it would work. And they may have fried dozens of seven year old kids trying to do that. Sure, I don’t see any evidence to support the idea that there was any kind of an examination of minds under those sorts of circumstances. We know that the powers that be used psychedelics on people. They had all kinds of drug experiments on soldiers and this kind of thing and they did this through the they discovered that was a dead end for them later on.

It was resurrected in the 60s when they pumped out psychedelics into the general population to try and defuse the anti war movement. I think it’s still happening in a variety of different, new and different ways. Sure, I’m certain that they’re doing it, especially electromagnetically, and I know for a fact that they’re in academia, they’re still operating on the idea that we’re solid material critters and that we can do things like that. I ran into a guy the other day who’s a scientist who’s been really trying to beat me up on Twitter because my statement that terahertz waves can affect DNA, all right? And he’s saying, oh no they can’t, that’s debunked and all of this and I’m saying bogus do.

Of course it can. Yeah. And you’re a condenser of energy. So energy that can read your DNA, can affect your DNA and it is right. Okay, so in some ways what you’re saying these idiots who think this way, who would rather spend their time trying to shove children through space and time, whatever, and so it really is us out here understanding and playing with our own ability to affect time with consciousness.

And so in some ways I like that idea that they’re not doing it because they don’t even think it’s a thing. So we’re kind of left alone to do it on our own, which is better than having them metal with it. Well, and also though we do know that there are some practical uses for this knowledge, as I know now how it is feasible to travel great distances, stay in harmony with the pulse, which I put it in Latin, but we’ll just use the English term of the ever present. Now. So in the little blue theory, when each atom is blocked into the universe and the universe continues to grow, which they never explain in the Big Bang, why that’s going on, but in little blue theory it’s obvious if you’re creating more matter all the time, everything has to grow, right?

But when that happens, space comes in with each atom, brings in its own space. And space is not affected by the atom itself. It’s created to accommodate that atom. When it comes into existence time. Okay?

So it merges with all the other space that exists, but individually, around that atom, it’s independent, it’s pristine. It’s not affected by that atom. It’s not affected by any other space, and it is technically independent of all other space. But it’s so space is universally aggregated and is locally inviolate because space is unaffected by it. Doesn’t the item itself actually generate a time domain?

I mean, it would okay, now there’s the rubio. Come up with the rub, right? Okay, so there’s the rock in the pond. We can’t say for sure whether that is the case, but we can take advantage of that understanding, all right? There’s no way at this stage, because we can’t measure real time.

We can’t quantify it. There’s no way we can actually say it is being created by the atom as it comes into existence. I said that largely from a material standpoint because our basic fundamental measurement of time is the decay of anatomic material. It really is fundamentally the only finite minute calculable estimation of time that we have in the physical universe that we but it’s not inviolate no. That shocked the hell out of everybody.

The atomic clocks changed as the sun has changed over these last five years. Right. It actually changed during the tsunami in 2003. Yes. Isn’t that interesting?

Okay, so if that is the case so let’s continue with that thought. Okay, so if you’re correct and we just assume, whether it’s true or not, that atoms are creating their own time domain, and that the domain, therefore, we can make some assumptions. Time must exist within the existence of those atoms, and should those atoms not exist, that time would not exist. This gives us a particular kind of an understanding around atoms and the idea of two different types of gravity, okay? A, gravity A, that works at the atomic level, and A, gravity of B that has escaped the atomic level and is what keeps us glued to all the other atoms, right.

Keeps us from falling off the planet. But it’s not gravity. B is the stuff that sort of leaks out of all of the atoms combined into the generalized space. We know it’s not very strong because I can jump up and defeat gravity just simply by jumping, and some beings that are heavier than I can’t jump as high. So it’s mass dependent, and there’s all these things we can determine from it.

But here’s something else we can determine from it, because we know that time is not able to be changed. It is malleable, and we can change it by consciousness. All right? So here’s some of the stuff in Woo I actually agree with. I think when we destroyed those spaceships in 1947, we discovered that they were using consciousness as part of their propulsion system.

Okay? And I think that they did that because they were traveling outside of time. Now, bear in mind that the pulse itself moves outside of time. It recreates the entire universe of all matter in all of its complexity, for all size, 22 trillion times a second, and that universe dies 22 trillion times a second. It has recreated another 22 trillion times a second.

So, in order for that pulse to move through all of an expanding universe and take no more time, each time it does it, it must move outside of time. Right. So, universe is not slowing down. If anything, it’s actually increasing its speed not only of occurrence, but this makes sense because complexity begets complexity. It has to do it faster.

So it’s going faster each time. It has new complexity on it. Correct. Got it. It has to work harder.

So, what does that do to entropy, then, which works on a material level, but are we applying entropy malleable, as well? Entropy is malleable, as well. Cozy. Rev proved that. Okay.

Cozy Rev proved that consciousness can defeat entropy. And I’ve done these experiments myself. I’ve replicated them, and I’ve proved it to myself. Get two nails, get them equally wet. Wrap them up in paper towels.

Put one nail in one shoe box. Put another nail in another shoe box. Take one shoe box. Put it somewhere where you don’t think about it ever. Don’t even look at it.

One shoe box with one nail in it. You look at that nail every single day. These are steel nails or iron nails. Nothing special about them. And compare them six weeks on.

You’ll find that the one that you left alone in the shoe box with the same level of moisture, and everything is deteriorated far faster than the one you looked at every day. And if you were to go so far as to say, oh, nice nail, nice nail, it would even preserve it a little bit more. And so your consciousness is affecting the entropy that is part of the time of those two nails experience. So entropy is not inviolate. Entropy is not as we understand it.

So I know we can travel outside of time. This is why I know Anderson is a dangerous so it’s not about time traveling. It’s about traveling outside of time. Correct. It’s about the ability to jump to proxima centauri, right.

And just eliminate all the distance between us, because we know that distance is an illusion that’s basically created by our consciousness in the material. And we can jump that distance outside of time by the use of the time dilation effect that Cozy Rev alludes to that is escaping outside of the atoms. And his idea is that if we can get hold of gravity a that’s leaking outside of a particular atom, then we might be able to magnify that gravity a and create a time dilation and aim it at a particular spot and sort of like I hate to use the word, but, like, magnetically jump to that spot based on dilating the time from this gravity a wave. And there’s no real difference between gravity a and gravity b. It’s just that gravity A rarely leaks outside of the atoms except in tiny little amounts, and then it’s all aggregated into the big planet, and we just don’t really notice it.

And so we think of gravity as a weak force, but gravity is really a tremendously strong force. It just doesn’t go out very far. Okay, so if somebody, let’s say, me, experienced time dilation, right, and actually sort of marked certain things with other people, that was actually able to prove that somehow I experienced what seemed like 4 hours worth of time in the state when everyone else experienced two. I got you. Okay, like, what is it about me that allows for that to happen while the other people did not experience that?

That is the intrusion into your three mind, ordinary space of the other two minds that we talked about already, the nowhere and the thinker, okay? Because the knower, as part of your humanness, so to speak, the knower is able to shift the granularity. So you can actually experience time at a level. And we all do this. Randy probably more so than most of us, right, because he’s temporarily sensitive.

But everybody bitches and moans about, oh, home room, just drags, right? Nothing going on. You just got to sit there. Or sometimes it fleets. Oh, man, that all happened so fast.

We had so much fun, and it just seemed to just fly right by. Or you’re doing time in prison, and so the time in prison just drags and drags and drags and drags. And it isn’t that curious, by the way, that in order for one group of humans to punish a human on this planet short of death, we deprive them of time. Well, but really, it’s depriving them of the freedom to do what they want exactly in that time. It makes the time we constrain them by time.

Okay, so then the next question is if you have someone who is temporarily sensitive. I would agree that Randy is extremely temporarily sensitive. I think I’m temporarily sensitive as well, but not as much as him. But I do think that something about our interaction causes each of us to, in some ways, be even further temporarily sensitive sometimes. You’re correct.

Look at the movie with Nicholas Gage where he was the card shark guy and the woman enhanced. They’ve been telling us this in the predictive programming. Yeah. So I would agree with you 100. Okay, so let’s so if I experience time dilation or what I call sort of loose, loose episodes with time or things like that, a couple of times, other people have been who are not normally like that have sort of been dragged off into it with me and later cannot deny that something odd happened.

Can one person sort of being temporarily sensitive affect those around them sometimes in a way like that? Certainly. And we see this all the time. This is the basis for influencer advertising. It’s the whole nature of what is going on in YouTube.

So if you actually look at things, you’ll find that there’s very few people that are doing original work. Okay, so let’s look at you doing original work. And your original work includes this time dilation. You have a level of presence that is enhanced by the knower or the thinker mind participating more in your experience in this reality than most other people would. Okay.

Okay. Because that occurs, you actually have a more powerful emanation at a physical and psychic level out through your various bodies. And so maybe you’d be one of those people whose heart rate could be sensed 60 or 80ft away, whereas most people, it’s only 10ft away. So those people that are now bear in mind bear in mind our brains are nothing more than millions upon millions upon millions of little tiny crystals that are suspended in oil. Okay.

It’s an emulsified. It’s an emulsion of liquid crystals. And so we’re an antenna. We’re an antenna for time domain as well. Just simply thoughts, right?

Simply other impressions and so on. So you’re actually projecting out your time dilation experience into those other people’s perception of your shared reality. Wow. Okay. And when you said that thing about the heartbeat, I was going to say maybe that’s why my father has always called me Hurricane Emily since I was a kid, because you can sense me coming from miles away.

Yeah. And you’ll find that I’m like that too. Right. And they call it in the Aikido tradition, it’s big key. You’ve got big key forward.

Right. And I would get into Aikido exercises and do key. I used to be part of this outfit called Shinchin, soitsu Aikido, which really stresses the key exercises. And we’d do a half an hour, 40 minutes of key exercises before doing any martial arts. And at the end of that period of time, especially under things like fluorescent lights, we can see everybody’s auras.

I can see multiple levels of color. I’ve got the key flowing through me. Really? There’s like the purple and the green. I know what you’re talking about.

Exactly. I was a gymnast. And in gyms, they have the terrible fluorescent lighting, which makes you able to see all of that stuff. And you could see when somebody had really not only just been generating a lot of energy based on the amount of effort they were putting into something, but also just based on their level of consciousness about how scary the things they were doing was, how difficult it was, all of that kind of thing. And you could see I know exactly what you’re talking about.

There was almost like light frames around the body. Absolutely. And I would see things like, just because of that, I knew that this particular guy who was my partner in throwing, I knew that he had a previous elbow injury because you could see the pinched in nature of the aura around me. And you’d mentioned things like this in the Akido practice, it just becomes routine that people say things like this and all this stuff, all this knowledge is revealed, and it has to do with consciousness being aware of these energetic emanations in the various different shells that actually make up the human body. Yeah.

It’s quite fascinating to see. I mean, this whole idea of thinking about time look at all the different things that it leads you into. You can use time and thinking about it to make some really accurate decisions about things. So, for instance, it’s easy for me to say, oh, okay, Cory Good is full of bullshit. Right.

Because there’s a couple of things. If they regressed him, he could never, ever physically regress him, then are we to presume that his mind went back to the state it was when he was 16? If so, he could never ever recover any memories because they’re no longer connected to his brain. Those thoughts are no longer even there. If we presume that he was physically regressed, what happens to all the scars and all of that kind of stuff that you had and all of these kind of things relative to time?

And just thinking about some of the other aspects of it. You can use it to say. Okay. Well, yeah, I think Andrew Boziago I think he believes it, but I think he’s diluted. Right.

I don’t think that he actually went back in time because I don’t believe that there’s any ability of energy to move other energy through a non container. But you can also say about things like this that, well, the thinking about this because we now know that when we can actually affect time with our consciousness, that opens up a whole lot of areas that maybe the deep state guys in the dark holes are really exploring. And maybe the ramifications of those lead to some things like quantum computers. So that was sort of what I was asking you when I was asking about observing children who could affect consciousness with their mind. Right.

So there are people in the deep state that are aware of this and that are playing with it. I think there’s actually evidence for that aspect of it. Okay. I don’t think those people are trying to shove people through time. So you think they’re separate projects?

Correct. But there are things in the Federal Register which is just basically a long list of contracts federal government lets that lead me to believe that the work that Anderson was doing in time is being replicated with variations in the deep state because they also want to know about this. I also think that there’s validation for some aspects of the Philadelphia experiment. Okay. Yeah.

Now, what does an effect what does a time dilation induced by a large energetic pulse do? To a human that goes through that, it may make them think that they’ve actually been thrown into the future for all intents and purposes, because it connects them with their consciousness, which delivers information to them about their future or their past. It just so happens that it was their future in this case. Okay, so if a person had been part of a project or even just grown up in an area where some of these experimentations and projects were going on, where they were experimenting with these kinds of pulses, then they may have some of that kind of experience as part of their memory that they are right. They may have the sense that they’ve been to the field effect, basic field effect.

Correct. But here’s the problem, of course, that their mind is going to interpret that and tack on all kinds of crap that’s just crap, just because it makes it easier to integrate and easier to believe and so on. Okay? That’s probably what’s at the root of all of the Mandela effect at the moment, is the quantum computers pushing out all of the Woo from universe in order to create a sterile environment where these things might work. And in doing so, it pushes out all of the consciousness stuff, the woo woo stuff, and piles it up around those buildings, so to speak.

So if you live in that proximity, you’re getting a double dose. So in a sense, it’s like a woo woo lens that may include some time lensing in it. Yeah. Wow. Okay.

You see why I was all excited? It’s like, oh, we’re cool stuff. We haven’t even gotten into page two or three of my notes. No, I feel like we could do a series. I feel like we are going to have to and we will have to slide, but this will be a series that will stretch out over time.

Claire, can you give us a link for the article that you referenced tonight? And we can put that out? If you can put that into the chat box. It’s Andersoninstitute.com. Okay, but I’ll give you the link.

I’ll send a link. Yeah, if you notice there there’s a chat box to this, and you can just type just give us a link for that. Other question is, where do we find something close to a reputable translation of Cozy Rev that I’ve gone through some of it. I don’t know if it’s a good translation or a bad translation or how to effect them. Here’s the problem.

I’ve got three of them, okay? I’ve got three different translations of Cozy Rev’s experiments by three different translators. Two of the guys I know are pragmatic, practical Russian translators and don’t understand the nature of the words that they’re actually translating. The third guy did, and it was a big difference. It made a big difference in the understanding.

But he dropped so much of the stuff in the way of his translation that I don’t really like it much, but there’s this thing in Russian about these verbs of motion, and it’s like discussing consciousness in English. You get into some really interesting words around the words themselves. My understanding of Cozy Rev comes from reading maybe 25 of his actual monographs that he produced about astrophysics, as well as his books on his time experiments from translators. And then I’ve laboriously done one level of translation to realize that this third guy did a decent job, but he only went through about a third of the stuff I was interested in, so he was of no use to me, really. So you’re not going to find a definitive good translation of Cozyrib, and you won’t find one into the woo woo world, because the people that are translating him now and working with this material are on the quantum computer side.

They’re on the we need to find a good Russian speaking, psycho knot kind of person to help. Correct. I might know someone who knows someone, so I’ll see what I can do. There you go. Carol St.

Louis may be able to point us to Cara St. Louis. And then I also have a very good friend who’s Russian, who is into all sorts of nodding kind of stuff that may be able to help us. Now, bear in mind, Kozi Rev was trying to regain his standing as a practical scientist. So most of his writings are not at the level that you and I are discussing here.

Mostly it’s descriptions of all these experiments he did and the results from the individual experiments. The most meaningful thing you can find, if you could ever get hold of it, would be an in Russian language copy of his lab notes, because a lot of these experiments were outdoors. And while he was out there writing his lab notes, he frequently would write whole paragraphs of observations of his personal thinking about what was going on, and he would pose questions to himself, is this occurring or is it that? So you would see his thinking about what was going on in the experiment, because many times he was as confused as all the rest of us are about time, and he was trying to definitively tie time down. Bear in mind, he was an astrophysicist.

And what do they do? They project star movements, and they’re intimately involved with time and calculations and so on. So he tried to reduce everything down to numerical differential equations wherever possible. So he was really involved in the calculus of time and to a lesser extent, spoke about the philosophical aspects of it. And the two are almost sometimes at odds with each other.

Exactly.

Okay, well, I guess we need to reconvene on this because I really would like to drill down into it a little bit more, Cliff. Sure. And like I said, we can get into page two and three of my notes here. Yeah. And I don’t think I have anything here that’s really left.

But I’m glad you brought up time dilation because that actually was at the tail end of page three, and it leads into this whole part of page four on the biological effect of time. I would like snoba. Yeah, I think there are things you can do about that, too. I mean, it’s really interesting when you look at the antiaging movement that’s developing and stuff, the way in which many of the people are taking it from the people that believe they are their body mind, they’re going to fail, they’re failing. All they have to do is alter your microphone is dropping out again.

Okay. Anyway, I was saying all they have to do is alter the paradigm and they get into a different view of things. For instance, you were talking about Emily, you were talking about the feeling of the solar energies and how people are getting a little well, look, it turns out that there are very specific temporally required minerals in your body. And you can actually take minerals that will cause you to have a different physical sensation of the temporal impulse, if you will, around you. And this time healing is in a way, it’s analogous to the hurricanes trying to ground out without the minerals in your body.

You can’t feel those people.

Now I go and I look back at some of the things the Yogis did, right? And the Yogis were really hot on making this long journey up into the Himalayan mountain and taking this stuff called Shiaog. S-H-I-L-A-G-I-T okay. It’s a smushed down ecosystem from at least 12,000 years ago, but maybe millions of years ago. It’s a pristine ecosystem reduced down to phobic and humoric minerals.

Sounds like what Sophia was telling you about. So I was talking to Sofia Smallstorm about something similar to this the other day. Okay, go on. Okay. Anyway, so this stuff, which is I get this stuff here that’s sourced from above 16,000ft.

I don’t see that or not. Yeah, that’s good right here. Okay. Yeah. You notice where it’s from?

You got to get it from the right spot. It’s a really interesting material, and I take it in lieu of any other form of minerals, and I’ve noticed temporal effects because I do cozy ribs experiments. Right. And so that was just an oddity was, oh, hey, it’s good for my body. I took it for health reasons and so on.

And now I realize that there are actually complex minerals that are required for appropriately temporally sensing or interacting with time.

There’s a million places just with you bringing us up, there’s a million places we could go up there. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. We’ll have to do it again. We’ll have our people call your people and we’ll hear you.

My people are dogs. And all they do is I think we can do this again and again and again and. I think we’ll be endlessly fascinating every time. This is really incredible. So thank you.

And we’re happy to talk about time or anything else with you anytime you like, Cliff. Absolutely. And it was great of Randy to bring up the issue about equifax because it’s so significant to what’s going on and stuff. And it is timely. Yeah, it’s very timely.

And with that, we’re out of time. We’ll see you the next time. This is off planet radio, off planetradio dot com’s website. And we’ll be back the next time. The truth is out there.

It’s in touch.